Adam Carolla Makes Some Good Points
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Adam Carolla is an obnoxious A-hole. He's like Trump that way.
How much CO2 did you release on that post?
I agree with everything he says........
That was a good video. Disagree that Trump is cartoonish. Lefties seem to use strawmen, especially against Trump. His policies are used in many of the worlds most dominant and successful countries. Walls. Deportations. Tariffs. All common stuff.
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This explains Drumpf's rise better...
Democracies end when they are too democratic.
And right now, America is a breeding ground for tyranny.
By Andrew Sullivan
"As this dystopian election campaign has unfolded, my mind keeps being tugged by a passage in Plato’s Republic. It has unsettled — even surprised — me from the moment I first read it in graduate school. The passage is from the part of the dialogue where Socrates and his friends are talking about the nature of different political systems, how they change over time, and how one can slowly evolve into another. And Socrates seemed pretty clear on one sobering point: that “tyranny is probably established out of no other regime than democracy.” What did Plato mean by that? Democracy, for him, I discovered, was a political system of maximal freedom and equality, where every lifestyle is allowed and public offices are filled by a lottery. And the longer a democracy lasted, Plato argued, the more democratic it would become. Its freedoms would multiply; its equality spread. Deference to any sort of authority would wither; tolerance of any kind of inequality would come under intense threat; and multiculturalism and sexual freedom would create a city or a country like “a many-colored cloak decorated in all hues.”
"This rainbow-flag polity, Plato argues, is, for many people, the fairest of regimes. The freedom in that democracy has to be experienced to be believed — with shame and privilege in particular emerging over time as anathema. But it is inherently unstable. As the authority of elites fades, as Establishment values cede to popular ones, views and identities can become so magnificently diverse as to be mutually uncomprehending. And when all the barriers to equality, formal and informal, have been removed; when everyone is equal; when elites are despised and full license is established to do “whatever one wants,” you arrive at what might be called late-stage democracy. There is no kowtowing to authority here, let alone to political experience or expertise.
"The very rich come under attack, as inequality becomes increasingly intolerable. Patriarchy is also dismantled: “We almost forgot to mention the extent of the law of equality and of freedom in the relations of women with men and men with women.” Family hierarchies are inverted: “A father habituates himself to be like his child and fear his sons, and a son habituates himself to be like his father and to have no shame before or fear of his parents.” In classrooms..."
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Democracies end when they are too democratic.
And right now, America is a breeding ground for tyranny.
By Andrew Sullivan
"As this dystopian election campaign has unfolded, my mind keeps being tugged by a passage in Plato’s Republic. It has unsettled — even surprised — me from the moment I first read it in graduate school. The passage is from the part of the dialogue where Socrates and his friends are talking about the nature of different political systems, how they change over time, and how one can slowly evolve into another. And Socrates seemed pretty clear on one sobering point: that “tyranny is probably established out of no other regime than democracy.” What did Plato mean by that? Democracy, for him, I discovered, was a political system of maximal freedom and equality, where every lifestyle is allowed and public offices are filled by a lottery. And the longer a democracy lasted, Plato argued, the more democratic it would become. Its freedoms would multiply; its equality spread. Deference to any sort of authority would wither; tolerance of any kind of inequality would come under intense threat; and multiculturalism and sexual freedom would create a city or a country like “a many-colored cloak decorated in all hues.”
"This rainbow-flag polity, Plato argues, is, for many people, the fairest of regimes. The freedom in that democracy has to be experienced to be believed — with shame and privilege in particular emerging over time as anathema. But it is inherently unstable. As the authority of elites fades, as Establishment values cede to popular ones, views and identities can become so magnificently diverse as to be mutually uncomprehending. And when all the barriers to equality, formal and informal, have been removed; when everyone is equal; when elites are despised and full license is established to do “whatever one wants,” you arrive at what might be called late-stage democracy. There is no kowtowing to authority here, let alone to political experience or expertise.
"The very rich come under attack, as inequality becomes increasingly intolerable. Patriarchy is also dismantled: “We almost forgot to mention the extent of the law of equality and of freedom in the relations of women with men and men with women.” Family hierarchies are inverted: “A father habituates himself to be like his child and fear his sons, and a son habituates himself to be like his father and to have no shame before or fear of his parents.” In classrooms..."
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^To be fair Carolla is simply detailing the tipping point we've reached which has occurred over the last 30 years or so. Maybe a bit longer.
The article by Sullivan was quite the read, (he is a wordy son of a gun), and does do a better job of describing what happens in a we must tolerate everything society. Plato is correct of course, this is where democracy ends, which is why the founders wanted a republic, not a democracy.
Taken to it's most absurd extremes, and being human we will always take things to their most absurd extremes, a true democracy must fail. It fails because total and complete equality is wholly unattainable in large and complex society. Everyone just can't have everything everyone else has. In an attempt to appease people the elite end up fueling and enraging the people. Continually promising more for less is a fools paradise, a paradise which our politicians live for. They can't survive without it. The promises are always broken, the less fortunate grow in number, the working class bears a ever heavier burden in taxes and blame, all while the elite run for cover.
Our little experiment is about over. It was a good run while it lasted.
The article by Sullivan was quite the read, (he is a wordy son of a gun), and does do a better job of describing what happens in a we must tolerate everything society. Plato is correct of course, this is where democracy ends, which is why the founders wanted a republic, not a democracy.
Taken to it's most absurd extremes, and being human we will always take things to their most absurd extremes, a true democracy must fail. It fails because total and complete equality is wholly unattainable in large and complex society. Everyone just can't have everything everyone else has. In an attempt to appease people the elite end up fueling and enraging the people. Continually promising more for less is a fools paradise, a paradise which our politicians live for. They can't survive without it. The promises are always broken, the less fortunate grow in number, the working class bears a ever heavier burden in taxes and blame, all while the elite run for cover.
Our little experiment is about over. It was a good run while it lasted.