ACLU hits a new low...ACLU: Sex in Restroom Stalls Is Private...

[John_Wensink]

Quote from armoured saint:

now THIS is deranged

Yes, I'm deranged.

Who knows, maybe your child will touch a door handle at Ohare and will get the white sticky stuff on their hands and have a paper cut and if the sample if fresh enough maybe they will get AIDS.

The positive implications of men being able to have sex in public restrooms are endless.

Do you get it yet?

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from armoured saint:

a restroom is not Times Square. it's not all B7W, and there are grayish levels of privacy expectation.

SEX? who forced sex on anyone? an 'overture' is a communication not a sexual act. a communication found in every bar, diner, dept store etc public place.. did you ever look twice at an attractive woman in a grocery store, smile try to catch her eye?? is that sex?

Don't pretend to be a moron (unless, of course, if it comes naturally). This was an airport restroom with a reputation. So much so, that it required monitoring by undercover police officers. Assuming that Craig had not been intercepted by the police and had "communicated" with a like-minded restroom enthusiast, where do you think they would "close the deal?"

This is sick. I'm outta here.

 

[armoured saint]

Quote from Thunderdog:

Don't pretend to be a moron (unless, of course, if it comes naturally). This was an airport restroom with a reputation. So much so, that it required monitoring by undercover police officers. Assuming that Craig had not been intercepted by the police and had "communicated" with a like-minded restroom enthusiast, where do you think they would "close the deal?"

This is sick. I'm outta here.

i don't know where the deal would have been consummated but you can't bar free speech b/w adults. but let me ask you this..

would you feel as strongly about this if YOU had taken a WOMAN you met at the local pick-up into the men's room to make out?

 

[armoured saint]

Quote from John_Wensink:

Yes, I'm deranged.

Who knows, maybe your child will touch a door handle at Ohare and will get the white sticky stuff on their hands and have a paper cut and if the sample if fresh enough maybe they will get AIDS.

The positive implications of men being able to have sex in public restrooms are endless.

Do you get it yet?

Would it make you feel any better if it were crap on door handle?

Have you ever heard of the "Mile High club"? Sure you have, and what of this?

 

[John_Wensink]

Quote from armoured saint:

Would it make you feel any better if it were crap on door handle?

Have you ever heard of the "Mile High club"? Sure you have, and what of this?

Over and out.

 

[LT701]

Quote from John_Wensink:

How anyone can support these people is beyond comprehension.

ACLU: Sex in Restroom Stalls Is Private
AP - Wednesday, January 16ST. PAUL, Minn. - In an effort to help Sen. Larry Craig, the American Civil Liberties Union is arguing that people who have sex in public bathrooms have an expectation of privacy.



Craig, of Idaho, is asking the Minnesota Court of Appeals to let him withdraw his guilty plea to disorderly conduct stemming from a bathroom sex sting at the Minneapolis airport.

The ACLU filed a brief Tuesday supporting Craig. It cited a Minnesota Supreme Court ruling 38 years ago that found that people who have sex in closed stalls in public restrooms "have a reasonable expectation of privacy."

That means the state cannot prove Craig was inviting an undercover officer to have sex in public, the ACLU wrote.

The Republican senator was arrested June 11 by an undercover officer who said Craig tapped his feet and swiped his hand under a stall divider in a way that signaled he wanted sex. Craig has denied that, saying his actions were misconstrued.

The ACLU argued that even if Craig was inviting the officer to have sex, his actions wouldn't be illegal.

"The government cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Senator Craig was inviting the undercover officer to engage in anything other than sexual intimacy that would not have called attention to itself in a closed stall in the public restroom," the ACLU wrote in its brief.

The ACLU also noted that Craig was originally charged with interference with privacy, which it said was an admission by the state that people in the bathroom stall expect privacy.

Craig at one point said he would resign but now says he will finish his term, which ends in January 2009.

I think it's great

It shows 2 things:

1) Larry Craig would claim a right to have sex in a bathroom as a defense

2) ACLU cares more about the pervert looking at you through the hole in the stall wall, than they do about anyone else (except for perhaps NAMBLA)

In other words, it shows scumbags for the scumbags that they are

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

I was troubled by this case from the beginning. As uncomfortable as it makes me, I have agree with the ACLU. Accepting the cop's claims, all Craig did was make an overture for sex. He was charged with disorderly conduct. If he was standing in the middle of the restroom waving his wanger around asking people for sex, I could see a disorderly conduct charge. I can't see how some fairly innocuous behavior inside a stall can constitute disorderly behavior. If they want it to be illegal to solicit homo sex in a public restroom, then the legislature needs to pass a law to that effect.

I certainly don't condone bathroom sex, and I agree the police should be able to charge people doing it, even if they are in the relative privacy of a stall. But this case never came close to that kind of conduct. I also agree it is appropriate for the police to try to stop the practice or discourage it. This kind of sting operation, with policemen sitting in johns for who knows how long, strikes me as a terrible way to accomplish those goals however, as well as a misuse of resources. The potential for misunderstanding and ruining someone's life with a bogus charge is clearly present.

I think the police overreached here. They charged Craig with a crime that his conduct did not fit, knowing he would be very reluctant to fight the charge. For all we know, they make a practice of shaking down travelers this way, kind of an airport version of the southern speed trap.

 

[chuck.ells]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

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I certainly don't condone bathroom sex, and I agree the police should be able to charge people doing it, even if they are in the relative privacy of a stall.

POSTED;
NO MORE THAN 2 (TWO) SHAKES!
VIOLATORS ARE SUBJECT TO FINES, IMPRISONMENT, OR BOTH. VIOLATORS WILL BE PROSECUTED.

WE - ARE - WATCHING.

 

[TorontoTrader2]

Quote from armoured saint:

the ACLU tests the law. not only nothing wrong with that, the process should be held in high esteem. what are you afraid of?

Right. As they say, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to be afraid of. That's the standard line that is used when they TAKE AWAY our freedoms so may as well use it here.

I fear the American Association Against Civil Liberties (the current USA military regime)

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Bill O'Idiot was trying to call the ACLU the most dangerous organization in America today on his radio show.

Why are the neoklan repugniklans so fearful of the legal process?

Quote from TorontoTrader2:

Right. As they say, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to be afraid of. That's the standard line that is used when they TAKE AWAY our freedoms so may as well use it here.

I fear the American Association Against Civil Liberties (the current USA military regime)