ACD--Is it the Method to The Madness?

I don't know much about ACD, but it seems to me that any trend day with little pullback is a monster day for just about any permutation of ACD, as long as most of the trend was after the OR, as was yesterday.

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You know I am a big fan, but yesterday's open was 13267 and the low and high for the day was a range of 13230 to the downside (37 points) and 13286 to the upside (19 points).

Without giving the secret away, are you taking more than one trade in different directions to get 40 points becaue assuming you held to extreme low it was less than 40 handles if you were waiting for the breakout.

Are you able to trade in both directions and catch the reverses? Tis would certainly be a great advance on the general outline from the book.

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S&P, Dow, Nasdaq, ER2.

YM was a great trade today, good for about 40 handles.
 
I just said that the system as described in the book hasn't been very profitable in energies as of late. I know what values are published on the MBF site for the various markets and have used those for backtests.

I'm sure they're doing other things there that are profitable. In fact, I know they have a Long Island office that does nothing but run automated strategies. However, that doesn't change what I said with regards to the ACD strategy described in the book.


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I'm sorry Jason, you have no idea what they are doing. I have been in his office and I have met his upstairs traders. What they are doing is proprietary and they do not discuss it or publish it in a book. When you make comments like "the system hasn't been profitable for quite some time" you are assuming you know what they are doing behind closed doors. How can you possibly make that statement with a straight face? You have no idea what he is doing just as I have no idea what Steve Cohen is doing.
 
The book combined with the website numbers provide a full system, save for the exits, all of which can easily be tested.

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I just don' t get what everyone's talking about here. The book outlines a trading strategy that may or may not have an edge. The book doesn't give an exact system with defined parameters that must be followed in order to archive success. For someone to say that ACD hasn't worked lately, what does that mean? What OR are you talking about? The book never states a specific OR time that must always be used. In the book Mark give examples of people who use OR ranges from one minute to sixty minutes. Unless one is testing OR timeframes from one minute up through two hours or more, how do you know it's not working?

Furthermore, his book is very unspecific when it comes to profit exits. He never says close after X number of points, or close at the end of the day. In fact, he even outlines the possibility of holding over night. He also shows how the OR range could be used for longer-term trades (1-5 days).

 
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You know I am a big fan, but yesterday's open was 13267 and the low and high for the day was a range of 13230 to the downside (37 points) and 13286 to the upside (19 points).

Without giving the secret away, are you taking more than one trade in different directions to get 40 points becaue assuming you held to extreme low it was less than 40 handles if you were waiting for the breakout.

Are you able to trade in both directions and catch the reverses? Tis would certainly be a great advance on the general outline from the book.

I only took one trade yesterday. The beauty of the ACD system is it will not allow you to overtrade. The way the system is set up, you really should not be taking trades in different directions.

Granted we have done a lot of work and improvement on Fisher's method and have really refined the strategy as we have precise exit levels and we know with a high degree of certainty what our risk/reward levels are.

Yesterday's trade was a pretty perfect set up.
 
Quote from jasonbraswell:

I just said that the system as described in the book hasn't been very profitable in energies as of late. I know what values are published on the MBF site for the various markets and have used those for backtests.

I'm sure they're doing other things there that are profitable. In fact, I know they have a Long Island office that does nothing but run automated strategies. However, that doesn't change what I said with regards to the ACD strategy described in the book.

Again, what is in the book is not "the" system. It's simply an overlay. Also, the values on the web site have no meaning without a more structured system to implement those values. Fisher told me that if you just read the book and traded the system, you would get killed. He said nobody does that. So Jason, again, I have no idea what you are testing, but I can assure you, you are probably trading it differently then Fisher.
 
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The book combined with the website numbers provide a full system, save for the exits, all of which can easily be tested.

No, it's not a full system. Not even close.
 
Well, perhaps so, but that means Fisher is trading it differently than in the book.

The book plus the website values for the OR times and A and C levels do indeed provide enough information for testing, modulo the exits, which, as I said, can be brute forced in testing.

Quote from Maverick74:

o Jason, again, I have no idea what you are testing, but I can assure you, you are probably trading it differently then Fisher.
 
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