So how do you know there are 2300? The locations are being shown on the networks day and night, and they've had more than one opportunity to go inside and observe, albeit with an escort. If this is your only argument, you will lose the argument.
According to the donkeys at MSNBC, we are now running concentration camps.
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Yeah, fuck this whole lot and getting a meal in public, or a good night's sleep.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/i...gram-separating-migrant-families-2017-n887616
But the DHS official also confirmed to NBC that, from July 2017 to October 2017, the Trump administration ran what the official called a "pilot program" for zero tolerance in El Paso.
The idea of separating migrant children from their mothers was discussed during the earliest days of the administration as a way to deter asylum-seekers, according to notes from an asylum officers' meeting.
"In May 2017, we started seeing cases of children who had been intentionally separated from people who were clearly their parents," said Danielle Bernard, director of communications at LIRS.
Records and interviews indicate that mothers and fathers, most from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, went to jail on charges of misdemeanor illegal entry or felony re-entry. Their children were reclassified as "unaccompanied" and sent into a network of shelters scattered across the country run by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, which oversees the care of unaccompanied migrant children apprehended by the government.
The El Paso experiment would be used by ICE, CBP and Customs and Immigration Services to encourage DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen to launch a zero-tolerance program across the entire Southwest border, according to an April memo obtained by the Washington Post. According to the Post, the memo attributed the 64 percent drop in apprehensions "to the prosecution of adults . . . for illegal entry," adding, "Of note, the numbers began rising again after the initiative was paused."
"The unfortunate reality is that under the present system migrant children are not accounted for with the same efficiency and accuracy as property," he wrote. "Certainly, that cannot satisfy the requirements of due process."
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/i...gram-separating-migrant-families-2017-n887616
But the DHS official also confirmed to NBC that, from July 2017 to October 2017, the Trump administration ran what the official called a "pilot program" for zero tolerance in El Paso.
The idea of separating migrant children from their mothers was discussed during the earliest days of the administration as a way to deter asylum-seekers, according to notes from an asylum officers' meeting.
"In May 2017, we started seeing cases of children who had been intentionally separated from people who were clearly their parents," said Danielle Bernard, director of communications at LIRS.
Records and interviews indicate that mothers and fathers, most from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, went to jail on charges of misdemeanor illegal entry or felony re-entry. Their children were reclassified as "unaccompanied" and sent into a network of shelters scattered across the country run by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, which oversees the care of unaccompanied migrant children apprehended by the government.
The El Paso experiment would be used by ICE, CBP and Customs and Immigration Services to encourage DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen to launch a zero-tolerance program across the entire Southwest border, according to an April memo obtained by the Washington Post. According to the Post, the memo attributed the 64 percent drop in apprehensions "to the prosecution of adults . . . for illegal entry," adding, "Of note, the numbers began rising again after the initiative was paused."
"The unfortunate reality is that under the present system migrant children are not accounted for with the same efficiency and accuracy as property," he wrote. "Certainly, that cannot satisfy the requirements of due process."
The pilot program started in October 2016. Trump took office in January 2017. There has to be a better policy to handle illegal immigrants with children. However, this is an important issue that should be debated honestly.
NBC: Trump Began Child-Separation Pilot Program In … October 2016?
See if you can spot the problem in this NBC News report. This is the headline:
This is the subhead:
The numbers show the government was separating migrant kids from their parents back in 2016 and 2017.
Do you see the problem yet? It’s in the main body of the report too, emphases mine:
The government was separating migrant parents from their kids for months prior to the official introduction of zero tolerance, running what a U.S. official called a “pilot program” for widespread prosecutions in Texas, but apparently did not create a clear system for parents to track or reunite with their kids.
Officials have said that at least 2,342 children were separated from their parents after being apprehended crossing the border unlawfully since May 5, when the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy towards migrants went into effect.
But numbers provided to NBC News by the Department of Homeland Security show that another 1,768 were separated from their parents between October 2016 and February 2018, bringing the total number of separated kids to more than 4,100.
More than 1,000 children were separated between October 2016 and September 2017, and 703 were separated between October 2017 and February 2018, according to DHS.
Let’s try to help NBC News out here. We had a presidential election in November 2016, and a presidential inauguration in January 2017, which is when Donald Trump took office. Federal government actions that took place in October 2016 happened during the administration of … whom, exactly, NBC News?
Oh yeah, that guy, the Lightbringer — Barack Obama. Who apparently was also separating migrant children from their parents, although we already knew that. At least, most of us already knew that, and most of us remember who was president in October 2016.
You have to go a little further into the news article to find out what NBC was actually talking about:
A DHS official told NBC News that the practice of dividing parents and kids predates the Trump presidency. “DHS has continued a long-standing policy by the previous administration,” said the official, listing risk to the child and criminal prosecution of the parent as among the reasons for separation.
But the DHS official also confirmed to NBC that, from July 2017 to October 2017, the Trump administration ran what the official called a “pilot program” for zero tolerance in El Paso.
Court records and interviews with migrants show that during that period federal prosecutors began to criminally charge any adult who crossed the border unlawfully in the El Paso sector, which spans from New Mexico to West Texas. Parents arriving with young children were not exempt.
Of course, that’s somewhat negated by what was reported above. The Trump administration may have tightened enforcement in phases to check on effectiveness, but child separation was not the intent of the pilot program, nor was it a new outcome. As NBC helpfully does report, it was an ongoing outcome that began in the previous administration. Rather than report that the Trump administration ran a local pilot program for zero tolerance a few months prior to rolling it out nationwide — which would be a reasonable step — NBC headlined it as a pilot for “separating migrant families,” even though its own reporting showed that separations went back into the Obama administration.
This is a terrible look for NBC News. It’s a very good example of bias and needlessly inflammatory reporting. It should be withdrawn tout suite and re-reported more accurately and specifically.
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/06/29/nbc-trump-began-child-separation-pilot-program-october-2016/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-families-now-face-indefinite-detention-by-us
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/10/us/politics/trump-administration-catch-and-release-migrants.html
As Migrant Families Are Reunited, Some Children Don’t Recognize Their Mothers
“He didn’t recognize me,” said Mirce Alba Lopez, 31, of her 3-year-old son, Ederson, her eyes welling up with tears. “My joy turned temporarily to sadness.”
For Milka Pablo, 35, it was no different. Her 3-year-old daughter, Darly, screamed and tried to wiggle free from her mother’s embrace.
“I want Miss. I want Miss,” Darly cried, calling for the social worker at the shelter where she had been living since mother and daughter were separated by federal agents at the southwestern border.
One Honduran father had been warned by border agents that his child would be taken away, and he had been given an opportunity to explain to his son what would happen. He beamed while his son asked questions and played with toys when they were reunited Tuesday at a federal immigration office in Michigan.
A second father was not given a chance to tell his 3-year-old son that they would be separated, according to Abril Valdes, a lawyer for both men. His child had stopped talking soon after being taken into government custody. The father and son cried throughout the reunification meeting. The boy said little and refused to take any toys or leave his father’s arms.
“I feel like he’s still in shell shock,” said Ms. Valdes, their lawyer.
As Migrant Families Are Reunited, Some Children Don’t Recognize Their Mothers
“He didn’t recognize me,” said Mirce Alba Lopez, 31, of her 3-year-old son, Ederson, her eyes welling up with tears. “My joy turned temporarily to sadness.”
For Milka Pablo, 35, it was no different. Her 3-year-old daughter, Darly, screamed and tried to wiggle free from her mother’s embrace.
“I want Miss. I want Miss,” Darly cried, calling for the social worker at the shelter where she had been living since mother and daughter were separated by federal agents at the southwestern border.
One Honduran father had been warned by border agents that his child would be taken away, and he had been given an opportunity to explain to his son what would happen. He beamed while his son asked questions and played with toys when they were reunited Tuesday at a federal immigration office in Michigan.
A second father was not given a chance to tell his 3-year-old son that they would be separated, according to Abril Valdes, a lawyer for both men. His child had stopped talking soon after being taken into government custody. The father and son cried throughout the reunification meeting. The boy said little and refused to take any toys or leave his father’s arms.
“I feel like he’s still in shell shock,” said Ms. Valdes, their lawyer.
