Abuse amongst traders
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I don't think most of these people talk so abusive in person. I did know one guy that was just about as offensive in person as lots of people are on ET via internet with hidden identities. He was the most widely hated person you could imagine. A fellow employee hit him with a car in a gas station once, screwed his leg up. I thought it was probably a purposful act or a person that just could not stop their self. The rude guy never equated any retaliations with his behavior!! He just was bewildered regarding why everybody was messing with him!!
On internet threads I really don't even try to remember the made up identities for the most part, posters are just comedy writers, or seriously abusive because they can get away with it or they are one-note-orchestras with an axe to grind or they are psychological sabateurs or they don't make much sense or whatever, I have had my really bad days too and posted a few things that were completely unnecessary, big deal. Posters become people in my mind when they post in a polite manner with meaningful thought out info. Maybe we all have a built in quasi "ignore" function in our psyches that make all this tolerable?
On internet threads I really don't even try to remember the made up identities for the most part, posters are just comedy writers, or seriously abusive because they can get away with it or they are one-note-orchestras with an axe to grind or they are psychological sabateurs or they don't make much sense or whatever, I have had my really bad days too and posted a few things that were completely unnecessary, big deal. Posters become people in my mind when they post in a polite manner with meaningful thought out info. Maybe we all have a built in quasi "ignore" function in our psyches that make all this tolerable?
this is a good starting point to change the culture of the boards here.
Abuse goes on in these forums because of passive-aggressive people who don't have the balls to say things to a person's face.
If these conversations were going on in person, I guarantee a lot of the crap that goes on here would not happen. People may still think the rude things that they do, but they would definitely not get verbalized like they do here.
The anger comes from the individual; the whole world walks all over them from the markets to their dog, and they feel like trolling around on a message board picking cyber-fights makes them a bigger person than they could ever hope to be in real life.
It can never be eliminated...the only way to deal with it is to ignore it if it happens to you. Once the offender sees that nobody pays attention to his dumb ass on the Internet, just as they do in real life, it loses all its effectiveness for them.
If these conversations were going on in person, I guarantee a lot of the crap that goes on here would not happen. People may still think the rude things that they do, but they would definitely not get verbalized like they do here.
The anger comes from the individual; the whole world walks all over them from the markets to their dog, and they feel like trolling around on a message board picking cyber-fights makes them a bigger person than they could ever hope to be in real life.
It can never be eliminated...the only way to deal with it is to ignore it if it happens to you. Once the offender sees that nobody pays attention to his dumb ass on the Internet, just as they do in real life, it loses all its effectiveness for them.
Cheese, do you mean something like this: "Methinks thou art a shit-head."Quote from Cheese:
What did you expect Stargazer?
Weak face dipsh*ts swapping verses from their favorite poems.
Let us all know when you've grown up.
You must be new here.
Welcome.
This is a very good post.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of people that come on this site that really don't trade, nor do they have any FACTUAL information to present or discuss. All too often we see threads in the TRADING FORUM that do not share any valuable insight whatsoever, let alone methodology that goes into putting on a trade.
Instead, we get the Rubberbird's of the world that have 516 aliases and use a highly accessible and unaccountable website such as ET to feed their frail ego's and boring lives.
I have suggested to Baron to put some process into effect that severely limits the use of aliases even if it means making ET into a small nominall paysite. This would cut out on the morons that come onto ET to hear themselves talk, tell everyone how great they are, and then wind-up talking to each other with yet another alias in the same exact thread in order to defend their fragile ego.
Unfortunately, Baron does not wish to do this.
And as a result, the Trading Forum continues to suffer, greatly.
skepticaltrader
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Quote from FXsKaLpEr:
I wasn't going to reply because I think the subject is stupid but, I did really well last night trading the forex and it's slowed some, I'm in an up mood so I'll click out a few stanzas. Then I gotta crash.
the only real posting experience I had before "forums" was on a massive undertaking by Yahoo called Yahoo Experts.
This was not a typical message board.
It ran for less than 2-years before Yahoo scrapped it.
It had components and was multi-layered so that each poster was able to get a much more in depth interaction among the other members and posters.
there's never been anything like it before or after.
an interesting thing happend at the end. the forum moderators (employees of Yahoo) were re-assigned and the forum was left with no moderators.
only a handful of people were still on the forums because it was gonna be shut down.
but we all knew each other from months of posting together. not necessarily as friends.
suddenly there was no moderator and we could say ANYTHING we really wanted and really felt.
NEVER has there been a setting like that. for the last 2 week period everyone was able to say exactly what they wanted with no restraints.
we were thrown into a capsule together, or stranded on an Internet desert island.
well, from the deepest recesses of the human mind and heart statements proceeded. 90% would have been deleted by the moderators.
these were some of the brightest people on earth, as well, due to the subject we all registered as the "experts" in.
anyway, it was something you'd have had to experience to appreciate what humans are truly capable of on a mental/emotional/written interactive type basis.
personally, comedy writing is something I could do all day.
I was actually trying to do it professionally before I got into forex trading.
It's an entire science of structures that you need to study and discipline yourself in order to be able to produce actual funny material.
but it didn't pay. stand-up comedy was great too but it also didn't pay.
and I needed pay for whatever I was going to do.
When I post here it is for one reason. I write to a select group of individuals I've gotten to interact with on a friendly basis.
When I post I will also try to help beginners and advancing traders.
trading is really hard work and my respect goes to those who try really hard, and those who actually are accomplished traders.
However, there is the flip side to my posting where, when someone "posts on me" in a disrespectful manner, sometimes I will reply with equal force (counter-punch). sometimes I will use more force than they used, just to see what they got up.
a really hard shot will sometimes get the rat to run. other times it will end the matter.
If that settles it, fine. I may not run into that individual for quite some time. and they may think twice before so casually dissing me.
If it escalates and the poster who started the fight with me replies back, if I feel like I should or am just in the mood to, I'll hit the poster almost as hard as I can - to let him/her know to back off.
If the poster comes back with more abuse, I just pull the cork and hit with everything I can.
that usually settles it. they are knocked out cold.
afterward, if the poster is still harrassing me or dissing me, then I'll usually drop the issue because it is just turning into a pointless flame war, and I do keep Baron's perspective in mind about flame wars, so, that again, gives me a reason to just let it go.
I'm called every name in book here.
I have every cuss word there is used on me and in relation to how I trade and what I say in posts.
I am lied about, have my words twisted, have things said about me that are not true, have posters say just about everything about me that has no basis in reality. I receive death threats though seldom. I get hit with hate mail on a regular basis.
and all I really do is come to read and write some things about trading and get a few laughs from posters who post funny things.
It may come off like I am some forum bully. I do post a lot but if you search and read (as if you are gonna do this) every post of mine (with every previous ID I've ever had on ET and Moneytec) that either entered or ended in a flame war, you will clearly see that someone came over and >bang< posted some shot to me to start it.
I know that behind every post is a person who really feels the way they say in written word.
It doesn't matter to me if it is said face to face or online - it is still a person communicating it so it does have a degree of seriousness. In that regard it kinda reflects the real world. maybe even more real because people can say what they really want.
I've made money off of what others have posted here. I've written posts that if traders entered the direction I posted about they'd have made money.
Mainly, I guess, I love to write. And I didn't make money as a writer.
so I trade forex and I do make money.
If I could make money writing, I would much rather do that.
but, writing, there would be no way for me to wind up as a centi-trillionaire.
skz
Hey Skalper,
How many words do you type a minute (approx)? I see that you love to write, and I do enjoy reading your posts. I get a kick out of them and I'm sure other readers on ET enjoy them also.
Have you considered buying some speech-recognition software?
This way you won't have to spend so much time typing all your posts, which can be real time consuming.
Check out this link if you're interested:
http://www.storelist.net/cgi-bin/apf4o/todaysdeals.cgi?Operation=ItemLookup&ItemId=B0003009IK
PS, I don't use this software, but am considering buying it since I have to send out so many e-mails.
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You must be new here.
Welcome.
cheers Apex ;-) yeah, i am actually (not using aliases etc)
don't disagree with yr other post on this thread, loads of not directly actionable stuff on ET thats for sure, at the same time its v.difficult to 'police' in an efficient way is it not, and there is also a lot of good stuff there, i'm sure u agree... and also, assumption is, at the end of the day we're all big boys, right, therefore no matter what anybody says, we make our own decisions right? therefore not much harm done when some poster goes overboard etc (not desirable tho')
good idea to limit use of aliases, maybe restrict access on IP address(es) basis for 'notoriously' abusive posters etc
separate stuff, nice post from fxskalper i found!