About William Derber Gann

Quote from MrSuperlatives:

Well maybe Gann was a good tennis coach.. but he could'nt trade for nuts

Thats perfectly fine. A good traders coach doesn't necessarily has to be a good trader himself. May be he was the greatest traders coach ever. Who cares whether he made money trading or not? All i care is whether using his techniques, if I can make money or not.

It may just be that Gann lost all his money trading. But it may also be that he must have learnt a lot by losing and then he may have put together this Gann course or whatever.

I have glimpsed at his course and can say that some of the rules that he proposes is very important to trading.
 
Quote from ARealGannTrader:

Updated Dow chart. What is nice about Gann is that u don't have to update the grid very often, u can trade off the levels as they pass thru time.

What Grid are you talkign about? I am interested in how YOU use Gann's methods. I think the biggest problem is that if Gann himself were to teach his methods to say 1000 individuals, each one of those individuals will have their own interpretation.........sort of like the U.S. Constitution law! i.e. open to many interpretations.

1) What is the Grid you are referring to on your chart?

2) How do you draw your cirlce? It looks simple to you but for some one trying to learn, we would have to know from which point or axis do you draw that circle?

3) What is the purpose of this circle? It looks fashionable :-))

4) What do you do when the price hits whatever grid that you are referring to? Do you go long? or short? or take stop loss?

5) Do you use Gann Wheel? What is it?

6) What is that Gann Hexagon or whatever? It Greek to me.


Thanks in advance. Perhaps you should write a book titled "Gann for Dummies" or "Gann-step by step" and I would be interested in buying those books.

:-)
 
Quote from Agassi:

What Grid are you talkign about? I am interested in how YOU use Gann's methods. I think the biggest problem is that if Gann himself were to teach his methods to say 1000 individuals, each one of those individuals will have their own interpretation.........sort of like the U.S. Constitution law! i.e. open to many interpretations.

1) What is the Grid you are referring to on your chart?

2) How do you draw your cirlce? It looks simple to you but for some one trying to learn, we would have to know from which point or axis do you draw that circle?

3) What is the purpose of this circle? It looks fashionable :-))

4) What do you do when the price hits whatever grid that you are referring to? Do you go long? or short? or take stop loss?

5) Do you use Gann Wheel? What is it?

6) What is that Gann Hexagon or whatever? It Greek to me.


Thanks in advance. Perhaps you should write a book titled "Gann for Dummies" or "Gann-step by step" and I would be interested in buying those books.

:-)

Before we tackle your questions, it would appear that a knowledge baseline needs to b established.

What books have u read on this subject?

That way we can have a conversation that is not too onerous.
 
Yes, I gree with you. I alse learnt some books of his. They are really good. At least, I can see the purpose that WD wrote books is to help others rather than get more money.

Quote from Agassi:

Thats perfectly fine. A good traders coach doesn't necessarily has to be a good trader himself. May be he was the greatest traders coach ever. Who cares whether he made money trading or not? All i care is whether using his techniques, if I can make money or not.

It may just be that Gann lost all his money trading. But it may also be that he must have learnt a lot by losing and then he may have put together this Gann course or whatever.

I have glimpsed at his course and can say that some of the rules that he proposes is very important to trading.
 
Hello, Mr.Superlatives.

Both your words and the structure of the words are so clear and I think most people here can understand your views. But I don't think it is necessary for you to post your words many times on the same thread. OK?


Quote from MrSuperlatives:

W.D. Gann is one of the most famous traders of all time, and has a huge devoted following - however the fact is, Gann never made the huge profits many of his disciples claim.

He did not have a success rate of 90%, as is often claimed - the logic his methods are based upon are unsound, and his predictive methods don’t predict - they leave everything to subjective opinion!

Let’s examine his theories of investment
in more detail and see.

Let’s look at some common myths about how great a trader Gann actually was:

Many sources quote Gann’s trading profits at $50 million dollars, however this is not true.

An interview that Alexander Elder had with his son tells the truth.

Firstly, his son confirmed that when his father died in the 1950s his estate was valued at just $100,000 - and that included his house.

Secondly, his son confirmed that Gann was unable to make enough money from trading, and therefore supplemented his income by writing and selling courses.

W.D. Gann’s Predictions

Many sources quote he had a success rate in all his trades of over 90% - again not true. We can easily deduce this from the value of his estate.

If he could make money trading and had a 90% success rate, he would have made hundreds of millions in his trading career - and he clearly did not - that’s why he had to sell books and courses.

The only evidence of a 90% success rate came from a small number of trades - and was not representative of them all.

Gann’s Methods are Predictive

Gann came to the conclusion that all natural phenomena are cyclical - including financial markets. This is true, but this is an obvious statement - we all know we’re going to die but when exactly?

A predictive theory is not a predictive theory if it can’t predict.

If Gann’s theory really is predictive, then there would be no market - as we would all know the price in advance!

Gann’s theory is subjective - and he really had no way of predicting the future with accuracy. It’s all subjective analysis and this is NOT a predictive theory.

Gann’s Logic

The basis of Gann’s theory is the principle that price and time must balance.

His methods are based on the squaring of price with time - this occurs when a unit of price equals a unit of time.

Gann for example would take a prominent high in the market, convert that dollar unit into a specified period of time and project it forward. When that time is reached, price and time are squared - and a market turn is due.

What? - How can one unit of price equal one unit of time? If you think about and answer this question for yourself, you will see how absurd the connection is.

This isn’t the only inconsistency used in his analysis - we also have the legendary Fibonacci numbers which are supposed to work with stunning accuracy - but they don’t, and neither do all sorts of astrology and geometry, that appeals to the far out investment crowd.

As we have seen, Gann was a trader who had modest success, and claimed to have discovered a predictive theory - which predicts nothing with accuracy.

Finally, we have so many subjective indicators cobbled together, that the theory can prove anything in hindsight, but if you want a tool to trade the markets look elsewhere.

For those of you still not convinced - I recently saw on the Internet, Gann’s trading methods selling for under $1,000!

Sounds like a bargain to get trades with 90% accuracy - I wonder how many serious money managers have it on their bookshelf.

Enough said.
 
Quote from ARealGannTrader:

Before we tackle your questions, it would appear that a knowledge baseline needs to b established.

What books have u read on this subject?

That way we can have a conversation that is not too onerous.



I have read these books, such as new stock trend detector, truth of the stock tape, wall street stock selector, 45 years in wall street and how to make profits in commodity.
And I think these are more basal than his courses, since in these works, he never mentioned to the WD lines, cycles like you show in your posts, grid or even hexagon. Does he mention these in his course?
 
Quote from ARealGannTrader:

Have u done any charts, yet?

Or are there any symbols that u want to compare charts with?

Yes, I have. It is not about stocks of USA, but China. Just as you want---"our thread get sent to chit chat", I will send you a message with my chart later. Thank you in advance.

If ur thread gets sent to chit chat, then I will start another and we can go on with discussing the similarities between Gann and other actual traders
 
Quote from cf0532:

I have read these books, such as new stock trend detector, truth of the stock tape, wall street stock selector, 45 years in wall street and how to make profits in commodity.
And I think these are more basal than his courses, since in these works, he never mentioned to the WD lines, cycles like you show in your posts, grid or even hexagon. Does he mention these in his course?

Okay, we will get to the importance of time here later 2 day or tommorrow.

The circles, cf0532, define the square root of two.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=2423115

That is Gann's fourth dimension. Google: square root of two, click the images tab for more visual detail.
 
Quote from ARealGannTrader:

Okay, we will get to the importance of time here later 2 day or tommorrow.

The circles, cf0532, define the square root of two.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=2423115

That is Gann's fourth dimension. Google: square root of two, click the images tab for more visual detail.

Thank you, ARealGannTrader. I think I get the meaning of your images. Maybe there is a long way for me to use it like you. Now I alsel have traded a stock, and I will show you my view on it. The chart is in attach file. The words as followings should be read in conjunction with the chart.

The movement of price between line 1 and 2 was building the bottom. The real up wave started from line 2. And now the third up is going. So I think it will waste more than 10 days to touch the top. And then it will fall more than before.
 

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Quote from cf0532:

Thank you, ARealGannTrader. I think I get the meaning of your images. Maybe there is a long way for me to use it like you. Now I alsel have traded a stock, and I will show you my view on it. The chart is in attach file. The words as followings should be read in conjunction with the chart.

The movement of price between line 1 and 2 was building the bottom. The real up wave started from line 2. And now the third up is going. So I think it will waste more than 10 days to touch the top. And then it will fall more than before.

Seek out Jack Hershey. Don't worry about others opinions.

U already use channels. He can assist u with the way he trades. Ur charts look very similar.

It will give more immediate results while u learn more about the concepts of Gann.

If u need help of any type from a Gann perspective, I will b here.

We will talk about cycles on the morrow.
 
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