About Order Book Models

[eternaldelight]

@bbt80

Heres a few suggestions from my personal library.

Books:
"Dark Pools" by Scott Patterson (must read)
"Market Microstructure Theory" by Maureen O'Hara
"Inside The Black Box" by Rishi Narang
"Financial Markets and Trading" by Anatoly B. Schmidt (must read)
"Dark Pools - Off-Exchange Liquidity" by Erik Banks
"Market Microstructure In Emerging Markets" by Kent Baker


White Papers:
"Fake Geometric Brownian Motion & Its Option Pricing" by Xingjian Xu
"Market Maker Inventories & Stock Prices" by Terrence Hendershott
"The Implied Book" by squeezemetrics (must read)
"Short Is Long" by squeezemetrics (must read)

Idk about Scott Patterson’s dark pools...

“My comment was primarily about the author (Scott Patterson) who has nearly zero clue about the world he's describing. That makes this books about as useful for understanding the equity market microstructure as watching Top Gun for understanding the US Air Force.” - Same Lazy Element (PM for a hedge fund) on the Dark Pools book

I’ve never read it in it’s entirety but I read an excerpt where Scott talks about the 0+ trading strategy and I thought it was moronic and removed from reality. Just trying to look out. Reading a whole book is a decent time commitment.

 

[bbt80]

Just trying to look out. Reading a whole book is a decent time commitment.

Thank you! The microstructure I'm really interested is a very unique one (not covered in any book I know). But I need the general concepts in order to write a meaningful paper.

 

[.sigma]

Idk about Scott Patterson’s dark pools...

“My comment was primarily about the author (Scott Patterson) who has nearly zero clue about the world he's describing. That makes this books about as useful for understanding the equity market microstructure as watching Top Gun for understanding the US Air Force.” - Same Lazy Element (PM for a hedge fund) on the Dark Pools book

I’ve never read it in it’s entirety but I read an excerpt where Scott talks about the 0+ trading strategy and I thought it was moronic and removed from reality. Just trying to look out. Reading a whole book is a decent time commitment.

You could look up any book and find a bad review, i read most of it and learned a ton. You gotta remember sle is in the business of MM’s, or was, so his knowledge is deeper than most .
Also, idk about you guys, but I tend to read finance books in random segments. I don’t read books about trading in story form (from beginning to end), I’m constantly skipping chapters and finding what sources I’m looking for, but that’s just me. I learned a lot about microstructure and the rise of HFT in his book.

 

[.sigma]

Thank you! The microstructure I'm really interested is a very unique one (not covered in any book I know). But I need the general concepts in order to write a meaningful paper.

elaborate on “a very unique one”

 

[bbt80]

elaborate on “a very unique one”

Maybe I chose poorly my words. I really don't know how common is that: financial instruments whose spot prices are determined by its derivatives ("the tail wags the dog"), for historical reasons.

 

[.sigma]

Maybe I chose poorly my words. I really don't know how common is that: financial instruments whose spot prices are determined by its derivatives ("the tail wags the dog"), for historical reasons.

do you mean instruments who’s spot price is INFLUENCED by its derivatives? Only reason I say that is because a derivatives price is determined by many things with its underlying being one important one.

this would be a hard concept to extrapolate.

because we all know our modern markets are becoming ever more intertwined, with all assets affecting all other assets.. when everything is correlated and not correlated it’s hard to determine exactly what dog is wagging what tail and vice versa.

but at the same exact time although derivatives derive their value from spot, that doesn’t mean derivatives can’t influence spots price. We all know options lay out the projected fluctuations of spot. Options imply magnitude, that’s it. But it’s definitely possible to figure this out. Interesting stuff.

 

[bbt80]

do you mean instruments who’s spot price is INFLUENCED by its derivatives? Only reason I say that is because a derivatives price is determined by many things with its underlying being one important one.

this would be a hard concept to extrapolate.

because we all know our modern markets are becoming ever more intertwined, with all assets affecting all other assets.. when everything is correlated and not correlated it’s hard to determine exactly what dog is wagging what tail and vice versa.

but at the same exact time although derivatives derive their value from spot, that doesn’t mean derivatives can’t influence spots price. We all know options lay out the projected fluctuations of spot. Options imply magnitude, that’s it. But it’s definitely possible to figure this out. Interesting stuff.

I'll elaborate on that as soon as I finish reading a couple of papers: I'll give you an example of FX Futures contracts that "drive" (in a very specific manner) spot prices. Unfortunately every paper I know about this stuff is in Portuguese. I'm aware of "tape reading" trading strategies that exploit this environment. But I can't stand looking to times&trades/order book for 6 hours/day, not anymore.

 

[syswizard]

I'm aware of "tape reading" trading strategies that exploit this environment. But I can't stand looking to times&trades/order book for 6 hours/day, not anymore.

That's why you need a computer program to do that for you.