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Abortion is a Human Right!
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Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
The fetus, once able to survive outside of the mother's body is born to the status of human being.
Most fetuses are not able to survive on their own until they are, oh, about 18 years old.
Some crafty ones are able to survive starting round about the age of 12.
Before that, they survive on compassion, pity or charity.
Perhaps we should change the definition of human being to 'one having the potential to survive'.
Or better yet, 'one who has survived', despite all odds.
These are all moot points however, because the concept of autonomy is an illusion.
The only thing the autonomous can survive is a random amount of time in which they appeared to be autonomous.
By this definition, no one can survive outside the mother.
This means all 'human beings' could be classified as 'fetuses' by a government interested in eugenics...
...or by a special ruling class interested in eugenics.
Only they would not use the word 'fetus'.
Whatever official word is used, it always means 'different'.
Jesus
a foetus is not a human person. case closedQuote from AdvancedTrade:
I'm not morally outraged by abortion. But I am outraged that people like you are still in denial as to what abortion is in reality - it is taking a human life.
Again, if you can demonstrate through argument that it is not taking a human life, please present you case.
nope... human life starts at birth... as for "life" in general, i kill potatoes everyday and that doesn't bother me too much thank u... now go back to square 1Quote from lindq:
Webster's Dictionary provides the following as one of the primary definitions of "life":
"An organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction."
Clearly, under this definition, a fetus in ANY stage of development is "alive".
And it then follows that abortion is the ending of life. You can call it killing, you can call it murder, you can call it whatever you want. But it is killing.
Now I happen to believe that a woman has the right to do whatever she wants with her body, or her fetus. But she takes the responsbility for her actions, and the consequent results, as we all do for our own actions.
HOWEVER, the fact that abortion is "legal" doesn't remove the moral obligation from the person receiving the abortion or the person providing it.
It doesn't make it the right thing to do, and it is CLEARLY ending a life. NOT a POTENTIAL life. But a LIFE.
Quote from 2cents:
nope... human life starts at birth...
The day before birth, it breathes fluid.
The day after birth, it breaths air.
So the day before it must be some kind of fish?
Is that the difference?
Forgive me, it's been a long time since I was born.
Can't quite remember when I became human.
No matter. Seems I was born to die.
Jesus
Quote from 2cents:
nice poem my friend...
so what is your stand on women's rights after all those thousand years of thinking?
its not all just about father and son u know...
Well, I was for equality.
And that rubbed off on my wife, Mary "of Magdala".
You could even say that some of her equality rubbed off on me.
Mary, along with Thomas and Stephen were the most correct teachers of what was known as "the Way".
When Mary taught, jaws dropped. She was amazing.
And she taught equality.
This did not sit well with most of the men in the group,
though I asked them to welcome her.
They were not wholly willing to change their traditions.
Their views are best represented by Paul's admonition that women not be allowed to speak in congregation, or be without a head covering.
Mary was snubbed and eventually emigrated to what is now France.
What the world knows about equality can largely be traced to her influence.
She taught under a pseudonym much of the time, much like 'Shakespeare'.
From the reality of equality arises the concept of rights.
If women are equal, for example, they should have equal rights.
Indeed, it is not about Father and Son.
Those are just concepts to point toward a truth.
The truth is that we are created equal to our Creator out of love.
There is no gender about our creation, which includes everything.
Gender symbolizes a splitting of everything, the beginning of differences...the beginning of inequalities.
Therefore, "there is neither male nor female in Christ".
Paul only parroted this concept, having borrowed ideas from the likes of Stephen.
Paul did not understand it becuase he did not understand Christ.
Christ is everything, neither male nor female.
Now, in order to learn of your equality, you must see equality everywhere.
This is the antidote to the illusive appearance of differences, which is a mask.
Whatever your neighbor is, so must you be.
You will see yourself as you see your neighbor.
That's how it works in this crazy world.
If you see your neigbor as unworthy, you will see yourself as unworthy.
If you see them as a body, you will see yourself as a body.
So you are maintaining equality anyway, only subconsciously.
Therefore, how you see a "foetus" is going to have some effect on your thinking about yourself subconsciously.
The subconscious is full of guilty feelings.
These feelings precede and transcend time and space.
What happens in bodies is an effect of these feelings.
Everything that happens in bodies maintains guilt in the subconscious.
Bodies, and the predicaments they get themselves into seem to create the guilty feelings.
But actually it's the other way around.
Bodies exist to maintain guilt.
Therefore bodies are always doing things to other bodies that seems to justify guilt.
It's a trick...a trap...a set up.
The pregnancy dilema is a classic set-up.
Someone is bound to get hurt, either the mother, the child, or both...even if the child is born.
What to do?
Realize that mother and child are both equally the same: both are images...illusions...false identities in an unreal world.
The cartoons were made for killing.
You cannot be guilty for killing a cartoon.
But you can delay the realization of innocence if you make them real.
You make real by making differences, and valuing them differently.
This is psychological, and much of it is accomplished subconsciously according to laws of mind.
Naming things differently is a classic example of how to make real.
Everything in this world is the same: unreal...nothing.
What is real is the mind that conjures up the images we call by name.
As long as the world remains real for you,
so long will guilt abide in your mind...subconsciously.
So long as guilt remains, circumstances in the world will arise to justify it's existence.
This will be expressed through self-punishment, through seeing others as unworthy,
through attacking them with thoughts.
Such thoughts may lead to bodily attack...your own, or 'others'.
But there is no 'other' when all is the same, when all is equal.
Whether there is bodily attack or not,
attack thoughts will make you feel insecure and in need of a defense.
Peace be upon your mind my friend.
Jesus