Abolish The IRS! Please Join A Movement To Do This!

[Neodude]

Quote from SWhiting:

Doing 'something' is NOT always the best course. Sometimes, if fact , many times, things are the way they 'are' because that is the way they should be. Do you think the current income tax system popped up out of nowhere !?!?

The absolute BEST income tax system encapsulates exactly what the US has: 1) a progressive tax system and, 2) a system that taxes WAGES at the source. It is fair and relatively cheap.

If you want to complain about our tax system, complain about (1) loopholes and (2) cheaters. In the relm of cheaters: if you patronize an establishment that does NOT take charge cards you can be pretty sure that they are hiding income. They are stealing from you & me.

First I think you should use some numbers to prove that we have the "BEST" income tax system. Otherwise it is just a subjective opinion.

My main complaint with a progressive tax system is that it discourages work. Why would I want to work an extra hour if the income from that extra work is diminished by a rising tax? It is not "FAIR", in fact this tax punishes people for hard work.

Ever wonder why communism failed? Its because people are both lazy and greedy. Taking away the potential for profit reduced the benefits of greed, thus the only thing left do was to sit back and let the other suckers work.

Although there will always be cheaters, they do serve a purpose, when their numbers rise its an alarm bell that taxes are too high. Tax havens also serve this purpose, they are a warning to governments that people will move earnings offshore if taxation is out of control. In regards to loopholes, I think a flat tax goes a long way to eliminating many of them, thus some of the extra revenue of a progressive tax is offset by less loopholes.

-Neo

 

[Dr. Zhivodka]

You're obviously not a home or business owner in Texas.

Quote from EMRGLOBAL:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashtx.htm

Taxation is fine when it's done the proper way. Othewise, move to a state that believes in the Constitution, Capitalism and raises taxes the right way. There is no state tax in TEXAS but yet the State's Economy is strong.

Fuck the FED GOV and FUCK THE IRS but you still gota pay to play the game of Capitlaism. Just choose your dose ...FED & STATE TAXES or FED & NO STATE TAX....

 

[IanMacQuaide]

You eventually reach a point where an extra unit of productivity is not worth it due to the weight of tax, you reach a point of diminishing returns.

-Neo

+1

 

[SWhiting]

Quote from Neodude:

First I think you should use some numbers to prove that we have the "BEST" income tax system. Otherwise it is just a subjective opinion.

My main complaint with a progressive tax system is that it discourages work. Why would I want to work an extra hour if the income from that extra work is diminished by a rising tax? It is not "FAIR", in fact this tax punishes people for hard work.

Ever wonder why communism failed? Its because people are both lazy and greedy. Taking away the potential for profit reduced the benefits of greed, thus the only thing left do was to sit back and let the other suckers work.

Although there will always be cheaters, they do serve a purpose, when their numbers rise its an alarm bell that taxes are too high. Tax havens also serve this purpose, they are a warning to governments that people will move earnings offshore if taxation is out of control. In regards to loopholes, I think a flat tax goes a long way to eliminating many of them, thus some of the extra revenue of a progressive tax is offset by less loopholes.

-Neo

Fair enough: here are some numbers for a person filing Single status. Rates stated are a little high because they ignore the Standard Deduction and Personal Exemption which reduce Taxable Income.

10% on income between $0 and $8,350

15% on the income between $8,350 and $33,950; plus $835

25% on the income between $33,950 and $82,250; plus $4,675

28% on the income between $82,250 and $171,550; plus $16,750

33% on the income between $171,550 and $372,950; plus $41,754

35% on the income over $372,950; plus $108,216


Now, let's say you make exactly $82,250 dollars. You pay 25 cents on that last dollar in taxes.

Who, in their right mind, is going to REFUSE to make one dollar more because they will have to pay 28 CENTS on that extra dollar instead of the 25 CENTS they paid on the last dollar. Don't be tax wise and income (cash flow) stupid. All of us should be making offerings to the tax gods in hopes that we have to pay $1 million in taxes next year.

BTW, a cheater is a cheater and a thief is a thief: the amount involved does not change one's character.

 

[BSAM]

Sadly, today in the USA, most are too braindead / brainwashed / drunk on government to grasp the concept of the elimination of the IRS. Unfourtunately, and most likely, only violence would be able to break the stranglehold.

The IRS is nothing less than slavery. Look what we had to go through to get rid of our last form of slavery.

 

[bigarrow]

Hey I have a great idea, lets have a tax tea party, just like the Boston tea party, that'll show em and if your too busy to get to the tea party just honk your horn three times, I'm sure that will lower or maybe even get rid of our taxes.

 

[ChaosNSX]

Flat Tax + National Sales tax thats the way to go.

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[TMcKenna]

I absolutely support the idea, abolish IRS.. impose flat tax (sales tax).
You simply choose how much tax you want to pay buy choosing how much you want to spend. Food should be tax exempt.
It is so good to be true, I don't think the crooks in the government will ever allow this. Also, those 1% richest will oppose this, because they pay less right now..
And all of you on this forum, middle class Americans.. if you oppose this... you are brainless morons..

 

[lolatency]

Quote from Sky123987:

are you an idiot, the US has negative cash flow of about 500 billion / year. How can we afford this?

What do you mean "we"? I'd rather the US default on its debt. I didn't ask for a few useless wars and a prescription drug benefit. The public was opposed to the massive government bailouts, and Pelosi actually f'in said, "It isn't being sold to the public correctly." No -- politicians aren't there to sell us things, they are supposed to listen to us.

Everyone knows those politicians ran us into the ground for their own selfish benefit. I'm not going to be the one left holding the bag, and if people revolt, I will join with the people.

 

[gkishot]

The only thing the government is efficient at from economic standpoint is collecting taxes.