A true Patriot

He makes some valid points, such as the fact that it is foolish for us to be trying to force democracy on countries where it obviously will not work. He makes some debatable ones, such as that the war is unwinnable. I think it is winnable, but we are not prepared to use the level of violence and accept the level of civilian casualties necessary to prevail. He makes some idiotic statments, such as the claim that we are fighting Iraqis who are trying to reclaim their country from us. It is perfectly clear that what is happening there now is a battle for control of Iraq after we leave. The battle is between Iran's proxies, the Shia's, and Saudi Arabia's, the Sunni's. Some factions, like al qaeda, like to kill Americans, but their focus is on their co-religionists.
 
Yes, he makes these points.

All the while being deployed to a forward combat arms position and going on patrol and getting whacking by IED's and getting serious trigger time....all the while we have idiots on this board commenting on the validity of his thoughts and his position.

You people are beneath contempt. Morons...one and all of you.



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He makes some valid points, such as the fact that it is foolish for us to be trying to force democracy on countries where it obviously will not work. He makes some debatable ones, such as that the war is unwinnable. I think it is winnable, but we are not prepared to use the level of violence and accept the level of civilian casualties necessary to prevail. He makes some idiotic statments, such as the claim that we are fighting Iraqis who are trying to reclaim their country from us. It is perfectly clear that what is happening there now is a battle for control of Iraq after we leave. The battle is between Iran's proxies, the Shia's, and Saudi Arabia's, the Sunni's. Some factions, like al qaeda, like to kill Americans, but their focus is on their co-religionists.
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/martin-p1.html

A Young Marine Speaks Out
by Philip Martin


When I joined I took an oath. In that oath I swore to protect the Constitution of the United States. I didn't swear to build democracies in countries on the other side of the world under the guise of "national security." I didn't join the military to be part of an Orwellian ("1984") war machine that is in an obligatory war against whoever the state deems the enemy to be so that the populace can be controlled and riled up in a pro-nationalistic frenzy to support any new and oppressive law that will be the key to destroying the enemy. Example given – the Patriot Act. So aptly named, and totally against all that the constitution stands for. President Bush used the reactionary nature of our society to bring our country together and to infuse into the national psyche a need to give up their little-used rights in the hope to make our nation a little safer. The same scare tactics he used to win elections. He drones on and on about how America and the world would be a less safe place if we weren't killing Iraqis, and that we'd have to fight the terrorists at home if we weren't abroad. In our modern day emotive society this strategy (or strategery?) works, or had worked, up until last month's elections.
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21 years old ...

...President Bush used the reactionary nature of our society to bring our country together and to infuse into the national psyche a need to give up their little-used rights in the hope to make our nation a little safer...

The kids got it all figured out... He certainly has earned the respect to be listened to, if not heard.

I suggest he not re-enlist. Maybe he had the forsight that John Kerry did and brought a movie camera, he can use the footage in his presidential run in 30 years. In the meantime, Noam Chomsky might be looking for an intern.
 
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Last time I checked, there hadn't been a military draft in a few decades. :confused:

If this guy didn't want to be Government Issued, then he should have never VOLUNTARILY ENLISTED.
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Do I hear you volunteering to take his place?
 
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Though I believe much of what he says and I feel (felt) for this marine, until he called the war "illegal", which destroyed his cover and credibility, and made him just another whore for the socialist scum that run much of the world. Maybe when he gets out of the marines he can get a job working for Ned Lamont.
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I suppose you are referring to the UN resolution. If so, why are the troops not wearing UN uniforms?

And why does Bush keep changing the reason for the invasion?
 
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Last time I checked, there hadn't been a military draft in a few decades. :confused:

If this guy didn't want to be Government Issued, then he should have never VOLUNTARILY ENLISTED.
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America doesn't need enemies with "Bush lovin' patriots" like you. The rotting underbelly of a soon to be fascist society.

How's the "liberaaa-tin' goin' " bitches. You don't even have a clue why your kids are dying there, do you?
 
So what was the reason america invaded Iraq? Has anyone figured out what the latest propaganda party line is?



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Great. Another “I support the troops but not the mission” thread. How many people from our volunteer army have publicly gone yellow, or at least articulated their skepticism of the mission, like this guy? Five? Perhaps ten?

A lot of you think you support the troops by advocating against the mission, but you actually fear what foreigners think of you when your country tries to protect its interests.
 
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