A trading edge is the easiest thing?

Trading strategy is more important. The trading edge is one you can think about for a long time before having to do anything with real money. That could be paper trading for awhile, or spending six years modfying code in WL or TS. That would be me to a t, and not everybody can handle the coding part. That takes significantly more patience than the actual trading.
 
Quote from Nexen:

Most claim trading is hard and even more believe it. Perhaps knowing what to do is, but once this is found it is not.

Trading is actually very simple.

The problem lies when the market forces you to do exactly what you should not do. It gets inside your head and it trashes your plan to pieces.

Here are the key elements to profitable trading.

* Don't trade what you think but what you see, react to what price did.

* Buy low sell high, this requires massive patience.

* Cut the losses short, let the winners run.

* Identify the various trends learn to fade the insignificant ones, don't fade the ones that carry the actual steam.

* Do not use lagging indicators, trade support and resistance. Learn to identify turns without oscillators, learn to spot oversold-overbought via price action.

That is about all you need to start.

Unfortunately, the implementation is much harder but with time and plenty of dedication you can make it happen.


How difficult is to find someone to teach you the good mechanics of successful trading???
 
Quote from Nexen:

Most claim trading is hard and even more believe it. Perhaps knowing what to do is, but once this is found it is not.

Trading is actually very simple.

The problem lies when the market forces you to do exactly what you should not do. It gets inside your head and it trashes your plan to pieces.

Here are the key elements to profitable trading.

* Don't trade what you think but what you see, react to what price did.

* Buy low sell high, this requires massive patience.

* Cut the losses short, let the winners run.

* Identify the various trends learn to fade the insignificant ones, don't fade the ones that carry the actual steam.

* Do not use lagging indicators, trade support and resistance. Learn to identify turns without oscillators, learn to spot oversold-overbought via price action.

That is about all you need to start.

Unfortunately, the implementation is much harder but with time and plenty of dedication you can make it happen.

If you have a blowout point and stick to it, the market cant get into your head. Youre just trading the number.
 
Quote from overbet:

On the other side of the coin is trader A. Trader A knows he is in a good trade that has a positive expectation and will show him a profit once the variance has been smoothed out. He is savvy, he is seasoned, and he has seen it before and will see it again and again. He is emotionally detached because he knows his risk and he knows he is right./B]



You often hear of traders who attain enormous success for a few years, only to blow a good portion of their capital, and you ask yourself, "How could a good trader do that?". The quote above provides insight into the thinking that leads to this phenomenon.

Every trade is absolutely new, no matter what happened again and again in the past.

A "savvy, seasoned" trader knows this and never forgets it.

In fact, this is something I learned in my first year.
 
Quote from Nexen:

Most claim trading is hard and even more believe it. Perhaps knowing what to do is, but once this is found it is not.

Trading is actually very simple.

The problem lies when the market forces you to do exactly what you should not do. It gets inside your head and it trashes your plan to pieces.

Here are the key elements to profitable trading.

* Don't trade what you think but what you see, react to what price did.

* Buy low sell high, this requires massive patience.

* Cut the losses short, let the winners run.

* Identify the various trends learn to fade the insignificant ones, don't fade the ones that carry the actual steam.

* Do not use lagging indicators, trade support and resistance. Learn to identify turns without oscillators, learn to spot oversold-overbought via price action.

That is about all you need to start.

Unfortunately, the implementation is much harder but with time and plenty of dedication you can make it happen.

This post is generally incorrect. People do these things and will still almost all will lose over a long time period. Trading is an extremely complex and difficult thing to master or even understand. Few will make a lucrative living over many years.
 
Quote from TraderZones:

This post is generally incorrect. People do these things and will still almost all will lose over a long time period. Trading is an extremely complex and difficult thing to master or even understand. Few will make a lucrative living over many years.

Oh boy, do I feel special then.
 
Its easy to shoot something down. What are your elements to trading success?



Quote from TraderZones:

This post is generally incorrect. People do these things and will still almost all will lose over a long time period. Trading is an extremely complex and difficult thing to master or even understand. Few will make a lucrative living over many years.
 
Quote from indexer:

Its easy to shoot something down. What are your elements to trading success?

It is easy to shoot down something that is way oversimplifying the realities.

The "elements to trading success" are argued

For me:

#1 is a trading edge. Many people think they have it, but few do. Commissions, taxes, fees, mistakes by broker or trader, market disruptive events, and time/money invested make trading a very negative sum game.

#2 is superb money/trade/portfolio management. A lot of people boast of their trading, and then erupt into a fireball when the Risk of Ruin comes to visit.

A large trading house crows when they beat the average annual market rise. 6-10%. Lots of newbie traders expect to come in with a $4000 acount and make 700% annually with minimal risk. Such was the nature of that post.

I would say the number of people who make lucrative amounts of money over a long time period are perhaps 0.3 to 1%.

The post I responded to was so overly simplistic I am surprised more people did not respond to it. There are new traders and their lists of success all over ET. Few of them are around a year later.

If Nexen shows 5 years of verifiable brokerage account statements that earn a lucrative living with modest drawdowns, I might listen. But of course, he does not. His list was straight outr of Trading for Dummies. It is NOT ANYWHERE NEAR that simple.

There is a difference between posting lists and posting longterm, reliable profits.
 
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There is a difference between posting lists and posting longterm, reliable profits.

exactly...as if a list of things to do and stick to where the only things needed to be profitable. :D
 
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