A thing called class.

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Yet another incredibly ignorant post.
Welcome to Nazi Germany.
U.S. Constitution be damned.


NSA Analyst: All Americans Were Spied On

"According to former National Security Agency (NSA) analyst Russell Tice, millions of Americans are being spied on. Tice, who worked for the NSA as an analyst for nearly 20 years, said in an interview conducted by MSNBC that “NSA had access to all American’s communications, faxes, phone calls, and their computer communications,” regardless of their location or whether or not they made foreign communications.

During that time, the Bush Administration repeatedly assured Americans that only calls to and from foreign nations might be subject to monitoring in the effort to prevent terrorist attacks like 9/11.

Even though all communications from all Americans were potentially intercepted, in interviews Tice says that even though the Agency has the best computers, it’s impossible to monitor every single American directly. Instead, he said they “look at the metadata, the signaling data for communications and ferret that information to determine what communications would ultimately be collected.”

In one of the operations he was involved in, he recalled, NSA “looked at organizations just supposedly so that we would not target them, so that we knew where they were as to not have a problem with them.” Over time he said he grew to doubt that rationale as the justification for the program because it did not stop there and “collection on those organizations was 24/7 and 365 days a year, and it made no sense.”

As a result of his disillusionment with what he witnessed at NSA, he began to investigate the extent to which Americans were being placed under surveillance. He also noted that he remained silent for the duration of the Bush administration, and only felt comfortable enough to come forward after that administration had left office.

According to Tice, among the people and organizations subject to ongoing surveillance were reporters and journalists and U.S. news organizations. He claims that the information collected on the news agencies, reporters, and journalists is “digitized and put into databases somewhere.”

When asked the scope of the information collected on Americans by the NSA, he said “the parameters that were set for how to filter it … were things like … if a terrorist would normally only make a phone call for 1 or 2 minutes, then you look for communications that are only 1 or 2 minutes long. Now that could also be someone ordering a pizza, and asking their significant other what sort of toppings they wanted on their pizza.”

When asked how the NSA would handle questions asked by congressional committees, Tice claimed: “the NSA would tailor some of their briefings to try to be deceptive, for whether it be a congressional committee or someone they really didn’t want to know exactly what was going on. There would be a lot of bells and whistles in a briefing and quite often the meat of the briefing was deceptive.”

When asked in a second interview by MSNBC if the information collected stopped at phone and email info, Tice responded: “as far as the wiretap information that made it to NSA, there was also data mining involved. At some point information from credit card records and financial records was married in with that information.”

As a result of the NSA program, uncounted thousands of Americans may have had their privacy compromised and are thus victims of an illegal spying regime. Says Tice: “the lucky U.S. citizens, tens of thousands of whom, that are now on digital databases at NSA that have no idea of this, also have that information included on those digital files that have been warehoused.”


http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech-mainmenu-30/computers/720

Video interview.

Try and stay up to date bud.

I spy: Obama White House seeks law to see what is on your hard drive

By Bob Kemp

RTNews (RussiaToday News) reported March 26 that the Obama Administration is seeking the power through legal channels to have the right to see just what is on your computer hard drive. Funny how the mainstream media has not given this story any coverage. The way in which the Obama Administration intends to carry out this flagrant violation of privacy will be under the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA). Below is a definition of the ACTA courtesy of Wikipedia.


The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) is a proposed plurilateral trade agreement which is alleged by its proponents to be in response "to the increase in global trade of counterfeit goods and pirated copyright protected works."[1] The scope of ACTA is broad, including counterfeit physical goods, as well as "internet distribution and information technology."[2]

In October 2007 the United States, the European Community, Switzerland and Japan announced that they would negotiate ACTA. Furthermore the following countries have joined the negotiations: Australia, the Republic of Korea, New Zealand, Mexico, Jordan, Morocco, Singapore, the United Arab Emirates and Canada.[3][4][5] The ACTA negotiations have been conducted in secrecy until on 22 May 2008 a discussion paper about the proposed agreement was uploaded to Wikileaks, and newspaper reports about the secret negotiations quickly followed.[

Here is the YouTube and the RTNEWS links so you may watch the RTNEWS report yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yPmtQDWZ1s

http://www.russiatoday.com/Top_News/2009-03-26/A_not-so-private_PC.html


The ACTA sounds innocent enough on the surface, which is why you have to look below the surface to where Big Brother and big government are hiding. The Obama Administration has been negotiating the terms of the ACTA with the nations mentioned in the Wikipedia definition above in extreme secrecy from the public, hammering out the details so as to not leave any loopholes.

On the surface, this is a law that will make it legal for the agreeing member governments to, without the permission of the owner, go into a computer hard drive and detect any pirated material. If such material is located, then the owner of said computer can be charged with copyright violations under international piracy laws and arrested. One of the things the treaty is said to be aimed at is peer-to-peer file sharing, meaning passing on software from one user to another. The government defines it as a means to catch those in possession of pirated material. Up until now, such copyright infringements have been seen as civil matters. So I have to ask why the Obama Administration wants to turn a civil matter into a criminal act. It will also give border guards and customs inspector's unprecedented powers to search a travelers laptop, MP3, and any other digital recording device without warning, copy and confiscate any digital material a traveler may have. The ACTA will mandate that your ISP search your hard drive whenever you are online, and report to the government in detail what they find there, legal or otherwise. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the gross invasion of privacy the ACTA will enable the government to legally enact on us, the citizen's of the United States. Big Brother will be able to literally watch everything we do on the Internet.

And what about private information that may be stored on your hard drive such as account numbers, social security numbers, birthdates, etc.? I go on-line several times a week to check my bank accounts, to make certain nothing unauthorized has taken place. This is a habit I got into after someone got a hold of my debit card information and used it to make some purchases. I also pay 95% of my bills on-line through my bank. I'm sure many of you do the same thing. Will we want to continue in these habits if ACTA becomes law? All this and more will be vulnerable and exposed. You may want to consider investing in a removable hard drive to protect such valuable and private information from Big Brother.

Some will argue that if you have nothing to hide, then you should not be worried about the government snooping around on your hard drive. This argument is weak and avoids the bigger issue at hand and that is the government probing deeper into our private lives, stripping away another level of privacy from us. Also, this new policy, which the government is staying extremely tight-lipped about, which is raising concerns among liberty activists, goes completely against the policies which Mr. Obama ran for office on; transparency and accountability. I searched today on the White House web site and there is no mention of the ACTA there at all. Funny how Wikipedia and the Russian News seem to know more about the ACTA than our own "transparent" government wants to say. I also find it ironic that the Russian media is warning us about privacy invasion from the United States government!
 
Quote from NeoRio1:

Also where are you now considering Obama is increasing the ability of Homeland Security to spy on people over the internet?

Your reading comprehension continues to make new lows.

Since when is a PROPOSAL current law?

The ACTA is a proposed plurilateral trade agreement. I repeat, it is merely a proposal. It's been going on in the EU for years and involves intellectual property rights.

So once again you are WRONG.
And once again, your negative bias towards Obama rings true.

Obama has not increased the ability of Homeland Security to spy on people over the Internet.

Your claim is FALSE.

You really need to increase your reading comprehension my friend.
It makes you look incredibly IGNORANT.
But I guess you enjoy that.

:D
 
Landis Landis Landis...

You really need to join the rest of the college kids and fantasize about the great short term affects that Obama will bring because you have definitely shown yourself to have a complete inability to logically discuss the negative consequences of government having too much power.
 
Quote from NeoRio1:

Landis Landis Landis...

You really need to join the rest of the college kids and fantasize about the great short term affects that Obama will bring because you have definitely shown yourself to have a complete inability to logically discuss the negative consequences of government having too much power.

How come you can't answer the question . . .
Since when did a multi-country proposal that has been kicking around for years become current law in the United States of America???

Answer: It hasn't.

But hey, don't let the FACTS get in the way of your terribly twisted logic. You'd get slaughtered by a high school debating team, my friend.

Sad, but true.
 
Quote from Landis82:

Your reading comprehension continues to make new lows.

Since when is a PROPOSAL current law?

The ACTA is a proposed plurilateral trade agreement. I repeat, it is merely a proposal. It's been going on in the EU for years and involves intellectual property rights.

So once again you are WRONG.
And once again, your negative bias towards Obama rings true.

Obama has not increased the ability of Homeland Security to spy on people over the Internet.

Your claim is FALSE.

You really need to increase your reading comprehension my friend.
It makes you look incredibly IGNORANT.
But I guess you enjoy that.

:D

My article stated he was seeking the ability...

Don't you realize you look like a completely biased fool right now?

You don't do you?
 
Quote from NeoRio1:

My article stated he was seeking the ability...



The article did.
But your words didn't.
No where in your post did you use the word seeking . . .

Quote from NeoRio1:

Also where are you now considering Obama is increasing the ability of Homeland Security to spy on people over the internet?

Is English a second language for you?
Or do you just major in fear-mongering?
 
Quote from Landis82:

The article did.
But your words didn't.

Here, I'll repost them for you in case you have already forgotten what you said . . .

He is attempting to...

Are you happy now?

How does that change the fact that Obama is massively increasing the power of the government?
 
Quote from NeoRio1:

He is attempting to...

Are you happy now?

How does that change the fact that Obama is massively increasing the power of the government?

Is he not following the U.S. Constitution?

Please post specific examples of your claims.
And if they are presented in an articulate, specific,
and thought-proving manner, I will gladly reply.
 
Quote from Landis82:

Is he not following the U.S. Constitution?

Please post specific examples of your claims.
And if they are presented in an articulate, specific,
and thought-proving manner, I will gladly reply.

The organization of government and the size of government are two different things.

The constitution provides the framework for the organization of the government.

Do you believe there are no risks when governments have massive amounts of power?
 
Quote from NeoRio1:

The organization of government and the size of government are two different things.

I'm sorry, but you did not answer my question.
You did not cite any specific examples of "bigger" government.

As for your remark about governments having "massive amounts of power" . . . I would suggest that you do some homework on the checks and balances that the executive branch of our government works within under the Constitution.

Moreover, there is a distinction to be made between policy being crafted and developed, ( be it on energy, the environment, health-care, etc. ) and policy that actually gets through the legislative process and is signed into law.

There is also a distinction to be made between a President who wishes to merely preside over a Nation and one who wishes to LEAD that Nation. I would suggest that the former President ( Bush ) merely presided and took a rather laissez-faire philosophy towards leading this Nation; aside from leading us into a tragically absurd war with a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.

I don't ever recall him developing any kind of health-care reform, or energy policy. I guess he felt that the current economics of those two areas were fine.
Go figure.

It seems to me that you may have "blurred" some of these distinctions. But unfortunately, you did not present any specific examples of "bigger" government. Take care.

Have a nice weekend.
 
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