A statistically representative climate change debate

here is the peer reviewed paper showing its only .3%... 41 of 11000 papers support the idea of man made co2 causing global warming.
(by the way I read a few of them... they all used not failed models. In short there is no science supporting the idea that man made co2 is causing warming)

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11191-013-9647-9


Abstract
Agnotology is the study of how ignorance arises via circulation of misinformation calculated to mislead. Legates et al. (Sci Educ 22:2007–2017, 2013) had questioned the applicability of agnotology to politically-charged debates. In their reply, Bedford and Cook (Sci Educ 22:2019–2030, 2013), seeking to apply agnotology to climate science, asserted that fossil-fuel interests had promoted doubt about a climate consensus. Their definition of climate ‘misinformation’ was contingent upon the post-modernist assumptions that scientific truth is discernible by measuring a consensus among experts, and that a near unanimous consensus exists. However, inspection of a claim by Cook et al. (Environ Res Lett 8:024024, 2013) of 97.1 % consensus, heavily relied upon by Bedford and Cook, shows just 0.3 % endorsement of the standard definition of consensus: that most warming since 1950 is anthropogenic. Agnotology, then, is a two-edged sword since either side in a debate may claim that general ignorance arises from misinformation allegedly circulated by the other. Significant questions about anthropogenic influences on climate remain. Therefore, Legates et al. appropriately asserted that partisan presentations of controversies stifle debate and have no place in education.
 
futurecurrents said:
We must break it down for the truth. First off the statement, "scientists saying climate change is caused by humans", is absurd and no real scientist would make such a ridiculous statement.

Ummm yes idiot, they do. Many of them. Like 97%. They do not say that man causes ALL climate change. Just that most of the warming over the last fifty years was caused by man.
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No, they usually blame it all on the evil man, specifically Americans. Even your statement about most of it being caused by man is not absolute. Truth is we don't know how much we're contributing, but this isn't about truth for leftists.
Comrade Gore was in Chicago yesterday ranting and raving about the end is near. Al needs to take a trip to China, or Russia, or India, or Brazil. Al needs to give them a lecture, but Comrade Al won't do that because in doing so he would have to admit the obvious. The fact is that even if we here in America parked every car, shutdown every steel mill, every oil refinery, every power plant, somehow got all our cows to stop farting...all that would have little to no impact given the rate of emissions coming from these other countries.
An intellectually honest person like myself must then conclude that this isn't about "saving the planet" It's about trying to achieve the leftist utopia of leveling the playing field. Let's destroy America so everyone else can catch up, and then in leftist la-la land everything will be just peachy.
 
CaptainObvious said:
No, they usually blame it all on the evil man, specifically Americans. Even your statement about most of it being caused by man is not absolute. Truth is we don't know how much we're contributing, but this isn't about truth for leftists.
Comrade Gore was in Chicago yesterday ranting and raving about the end is near. Al needs to take a trip to China, or Russia, or India, or Brazil. Al needs to give them a lecture, but Comrade Al won't do that because in doing so he would have to admit the obvious. The fact is that even if we here in America parked every car, shutdown every steel mill, every oil refinery, every power plant, somehow got all our cows to stop farting...all that would have little to no impact given the rate of emissions coming from these other countries.
An intellectually honest person like myself must then conclude that this isn't about "saving the planet" It's about trying to achieve the leftist utopia of leveling the playing field. Let's destroy America so everyone else can catch up, and then in leftist la-la land everything will be just peachy.
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You really need to do some reading about AGW. But not from denier sites. Try NOAA etc.

Yes they DO know that most of the warming is from man. Your ignorance shows with nearly every sentence you write.

Let's destroy America..........? You are worse than delusional.
 
Scientific organizations are colonized by political activists and attempt to speak for all scientists.

That's the dirty little secret the left needs to remain a secret.
 
futurecurrents said:
You really need to do some reading about AGW. But not from denier sites. Try NOAA etc.

Yes they DO know that most of the warming is from man. Your ignorance shows with nearly every sentence you write.

Let's destroy America..........? You are worse than delusional.
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Yea, well, why isn't Comrade Gore, you, or anyone else in your cult showing anything but token concern for what China, Russia, India and Brazil are doing? Only evil America is under the gun. Only evil America if at fault. It's a common theme with the leftists. The whole "science" game has been politicized, therefore I pay no attention to the science cultists who spew their hysterical ranting at America while doing next to nothing in other countries.
 
fhl said:
Scientific organizations are colonized by political activists and attempt to speak for all scientists.

That's the dirty little secret the left needs to remain a secret.
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. The scientists when directly asked say it. 97% of them. You are really deluded by right wing media.
 
fhl said:
Scientific organizations are colonized by political activists and attempt to speak for all scientists.

That's the dirty little secret the left needs to remain a secret.
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That's hard to believe. After all, the media, government, big business, the universities, pro sports leagues, etc etc are all completely free of such inflfuence and try to foster a climate of healthy debate and respect for all opinions.
 
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