A statistically representative climate change debate

We must break it down for the truth. First off the statement, "scientists saying climate change is caused by humans", is absurd and no real scientist would make such a ridiculous statement. Humans don't cause climate change. If humans caused climate change then how do you explain all the changes that occurred before humans walked the planet? Only a radical left nitwit would make such a claim. Secondly, a modern industrialized society CONTRIBUTES to climate change. Causing and contributing are two completely different things. How much we contribute is debatable. Sorry radical leftists, it's not "settled science". Nice try at ending any debate, but THINKING people know better. Third, and here's the rub for radical leftists, we don't know when, or even if we'll reach a tipping point from which there is no return. REAL science would come to the logical conclusion that IF the current trend continues we MAY experience something which would be considered catastrophic sometime down the road, but when? Again, REAL science would deduce that this could occur over the course of the next millennium or so. A time frame which is a mere blink of the eye from a big picture geological point of view which is what any REAL scientist would be in agreement with, and there's the rub.
Radical leftists need to push their hysterical ideology TODAY. We must do something TODAY. The world may end by years end if we don't. We must tax people TODAY. We must control behavior TODAY. We must crush the American economy TODAY, so that everyone else can catch up. Geological time frames and reality are the enemy of the climate change cultist. They're only hope is the stupidity of the American people, and with that they have a clear edge. We may be the dumbest fucks on the planet, as evidenced almost daily looking at our current government and the mindless mob which follows. So don't fear comrades, you're still in the game.
 
We must break it down for the truth. First off the statement, "scientists saying climate change is caused by humans", is absurd and no real scientist would make such a ridiculous statement. Humans don't cause climate change. If humans caused climate change then how do you explain all the changes that occurred before humans walked the planet? Only a radical left nitwit would make such a claim. Secondly, a modern industrialized society CONTRIBUTES to climate change. Causing and contributing are two completely different things. How much we contribute is debatable. Sorry radical leftists, it's not "settled science". Nice try at ending any debate, but THINKING people know better. Third, and here's the rub for radical leftists, we don't know when, or even if we'll reach a tipping point from which there is no return. REAL science would come to the logical conclusion that IF the current trend continues we MAY experience something which would be considered catastrophic sometime down the road, but when? Again, REAL science would deduce that this could occur over the course of the next millennium or so. A time frame which is a mere blink of the eye from a big picture geological point of view which is what any REAL scientist would be in agreement with, and there's the rub.
Radical leftists need to push their hysterical ideology TODAY. We must do something TODAY. The world may end by years end if we don't. We must tax people TODAY. We must control behavior TODAY. We must crush the American economy TODAY, so that everyone else can catch up. Geological time frames and reality are the enemy of the climate change cultist. They're only hope is the stupidity of the American people, and with that they have a clear edge. We may be the dumbest fucks on the planet, as evidenced almost daily looking at our current government and the mindless mob which follows. So don't fear comrades, you're still in the game.

We must break it down for the truth. First off the statement, "scientists saying climate change is caused by humans", is absurd and no real scientist would make such a ridiculous statement.

Ummm yes idiot, they do. Many of them. Like 97%. They do not say that man causes ALL climate change. Just that most of the warming over the last fifty years was caused by man.
 
Oliver just made himself look like a moron. we had a whole thread on that fraudulent study...
its actually .3% of papers which support the idea that man made co2 may be causing global warming.

“0.3% climate consensus, not 97.1%”

PRESS RELEASE – September 3rd, 2013

A major peer-reviewed paper by four senior researchers has exposed grave errors in an earlier paper in a new and unknown journal that had claimed a 97.1% scientific consensus that Man had caused at least half the 0.7 Cº global warming since 1950.

A tweet in President Obama’s name had assumed that the earlier, flawed paper, by John Cook and others, showed 97% endorsement of the notion that climate change is dangerous:

“Ninety-seven percent of scientists agree: #climate change is real, man-made and dangerous.” [Emphasis added]

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/...ven-by-a-new-paper-showing-major-math-errors/


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here forbes explains other problems with the study. ...


http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesta...caught-doctoring-97-percent-consensus-claims/

No jem. It really is 97%. All you managed to do on your absurd thread is make yourself look like a crazy fool.
 
no fraudcurrents, this is peer reviewed.....



“0.3% climate consensus, not 97.1%”

PRESS RELEASE – September 3rd, 2013

A major peer-reviewed paper by four senior researchers has exposed grave errors in an earlier paper in a new and unknown journal that had claimed a 97.1% scientific consensus that Man had caused at least half the 0.7 Cº global warming since 1950.

A tweet in President Obama’s name had assumed that the earlier, flawed paper, by John Cook and others, showed 97% endorsement of the notion that climate change is dangerous:

“Ninety-seven percent of scientists agree: #climate change is real, man-made and dangerous.” [Emphasis added]

The new paper by the leading climatologist Dr David Legates and his colleagues, published in the respected Science and Education journal, now in its 21st year of publication, reveals that Cook had not considered whether scientists and their published papers had said climate change was “dangerous”.

The consensus Cook considered was the standard definition: that Man had caused most post-1950 warming. Even on this weaker definition the true consensus among published scientific papers is now demonstrated to be not 97.1%, as Cook had claimed, but only 0.3%.

Only 41 out of the 11,944 published climate papers Cook examined explicitly stated that Man caused most of the warming since 1950. Cook himself had flagged just 64 papers as explicitly supporting that consensus, but 23 of the 64 had not in fact supported it.[/QUOTE]









No jem. It really is 97%. All you managed to do on your absurd thread is make yourself look like a crazy fool.
 
fraudcurrents - let me refute all the bullshit you are about to regurgitate before you post.


you keep repeating the same bullshit... so I will post the same response.


1. These are the stats from the Doran Paper itself.



98_percent_climate_scientists_graph.png


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2. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/0...r-math-errors/

Oreskes data base also shows very few if any papers support your agw consensus and state man made co2 is causing warming. The vast majority are neutral... or if they did support the consensus they were using now failed computer models to speculate.

there is zero evidence man made co2 is causing warming and there is no consensus.


“0.3% climate consensus, not 97.1%”

PRESS RELEASE – September 3rd, 2013

A major peer-reviewed paper by four senior researchers has exposed grave errors in an earlier paper in a new and unknown journal that had claimed a 97.1% scientific consensus that Man had caused at least half the 0.7 Cº global warming since 1950.

A tweet in President Obama’s name had assumed that the earlier, flawed paper, by John Cook and others, showed 97% endorsement of the notion that climate change is dangerous:

“Ninety-seven percent of scientists agree: #climate change is real, man-made and dangerous.” [Emphasis added]

The new paper by the leading climatologist Dr David Legates and his colleagues, published in the respected Science and Education journal, now in its 21st year of publication, reveals that Cook had not considered whether scientists and their published papers had said climate change was “dangerous”.

The consensus Cook considered was the standard definition: that Man had caused most post-1950 warming. Even on this weaker definition the true consensus among published scientific papers is now demonstrated to be not 97.1%, as Cook had claimed, but only 0.3%.

Only 41 out of the 11,944 published climate papers Cook examined explicitly stated that Man caused most of the warming since 1950. Cook himself had flagged just 64 papers as explicitly supporting that consensus, but 23 of the 64 had not in fact supported it.


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3. the vision prize pays people to pick answers...it is a clever scam. its by IOP the nutters who published cooks discredited paper.

http://www.visionprize.com/faq

How does the poll work?

Each Vision Prize question has two parts — the first part will ask which answer you believe to be most likely and the second part will ask you to predict how all participants will answer. Based on your answers and how accurately you predict the answers of the other participants, you will receive a Vision Score. The higher your Vision Score, the more you earn in charity gift cards to support the charity of your choice. Charity gift cards are our way of thanking you for your participation.

Not all participants will earn charity donations in every poll, but to maximize your Vision Score and charity donation, you should answer both parts of each question in accordance with your best guess even if you are very uncertain. All questions in this poll ask for your best guess about what you expect — not what you hope — will be the true outcomes. Gift Card winners can choose any public charity to which to donate their prizes through the Give page on the Vision Prize website. TOP....

The Vision Prize incentivized scoring system is designed to reward answers that represent your best guess of the true answer (which, for some questions, may not be known for many years). For the first part of each question, it does this by rewarding answers that are more common than the group expects them to be. (You are free to think strategically when giving your answer, but answering truthfully will earn you just as high a Vision Score.) For the second part of each question, the scoring algorithm rewards accurate prediction of the group's responses to the first part. Your Vision Score is a combination of these rewards. Refer to the example below, which illustrates high scores in a hypothetical case. TOP

4. The cook paper was debunked in a peer reviewed papers and here on site... where I explained to you what the abstract meant....

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11191-013-9647-9

Abstract
Agnotology is the study of how ignorance arises via circulation of misinformation calculated to mislead. Legates et al. (Sci Educ 22:2007–2017, 2013) had questioned the applicability of agnotology to politically-charged debates. In their reply, Bedford and Cook (Sci Educ 22:2019–2030, 2013), seeking to apply agnotology to climate science, asserted that fossil-fuel interests had promoted doubt about a climate consensus. Their definition of climate ‘misinformation’ was contingent upon the post-modernist assumptions that scientific truth is discernible by measuring a consensus among experts, and that a near unanimous consensus exists. However, inspection of a claim by Cook et al. (Environ Res Lett 8:024024, 2013) of 97.1 % consensus, heavily relied upon by Bedford and Cook, shows just 0.3 % endorsement of the standard definition of consensus: that most warming since 1950 is anthropogenic. Agnotology, then, is a two-edged sword since either side in a debate may claim that general ignorance arises from misinformation allegedly circulated by the other. Significant questions about anthropogenic influences on climate remain. Therefore, Legates et al. appropriately asserted that partisan presentations of controversies stifle debate and have no place in education.

Doran was a bullshit reccount of as I said 75 of 77 of 3000 papers.

Every part of you consensus has been debunked and you can not reproduce it in real life because in real life the split is far different. So you rely on crooked counts like cooks... the al gore sponsored whore.
 
and with respect to cool before you post one of your ridiculous pie charts... not that the cook abstract itself agrees with the bar chart above....


click the link... this is the IOP study olivered got clowned by.


http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024


We analyze the evolution of the scientific consensus on anthropogenic global warming (AGW) in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, examining 11 944 climate abstracts from 1991–2011 matching the topics 'global climate change' or 'global warming'. We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming. In a second phase of this study, we invited authors to rate their own papers. Compared to abstract ratings, a smaller percentage of self-rated papers expressed no position on AGW (35.5%). Among self-rated papers expressing a position on AGW, 97.2% endorsed the consensus. For both abstract ratings and authors' self-ratings, the percentage of endorsements among papers expressing a position on AGW marginally increased over time. Our analysis indicates that the number of papers rejecting the consensus on AGW is a vanishingly small proportion of the published research
 
even cook himself states its not 97%... you are on confused nutter fc he says less than a third of the papers even had an opinion...


http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024


We analyze the evolution of the scientific consensus on anthropogenic global warming (AGW) in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, examining 11 944 climate abstracts from 1991–2011 matching the topics 'global climate change' or 'global warming'. We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming. In a second phase of this study, we invited authors to rate their own papers. Compared to abstract ratings, a smaller percentage of self-rated papers expressed no position on AGW (35.5%). Among self-rated papers expressing a position on AGW, 97.2% endorsed the consensus. For both abstract ratings and authors' self-ratings, the percentage of endorsements among papers expressing a position on AGW marginally increased over time. Our analysis indicates that the number of papers rejecting the consensus on AGW is a vanishingly small proportion of the published research
 
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