A simple price action approach

Quote from jack411:

I want to see others' interpretations from today's charts.

I didn't trade ES today, so I scrolled my chart to the RTH open, drew a channel, checked the longer time frame for levels and decided there was a clean short setup. I do this with CL each morning before I start trading. Having a plan in advance makes the trade easier to manage, than simply reacting to price.

This is what I saw and how I would've looked to trade it:

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Quote from NoDoji:

I didn't trade ES today, so I scrolled my chart to the RTH open, drew a channel, checked the longer time frame for levels and decided there was a clean short setup. I do this with CL each morning before I start trading. Having a plan in advance makes the trade easier to manage, than simply reacting to price.

This is what I saw and how I would've looked to trade it:

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Thanks for the chart!
 
Quote from NoDoji:

I didn't trade ES today, so I scrolled my chart to the RTH open, drew a channel, checked the longer time frame for levels and decided there was a clean short setup. I do this with CL each morning before I start trading. Having a plan in advance makes the trade easier to manage, than simply reacting to price.

This is what I saw and how I would've looked to trade it:

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Nodoji,
thanks again for the chart you posted earlier. After the open, later in the day after the open, that's where I was having problems with my trendlines being respected. Do you have any examples that you can show throughout the day?
 
Quote from NoDoji:

...each morning before I start trading. Having a plan in advance makes the trade easier to manage, than simply reacting to price.

That is really the key that makes the day work for a trader. It is easier to draw lines intraday because you have more inputs and on a liquid contract there are few gaps.

The advantage for EoD traders is that they have many hours to ponder their decision and don't have to be vary active. The downside to that it it takes many years to build up the experience a day trader builds in a few months.

When I saw the potential pattern on the Dow I could draw the likely progress months in advance and the record is on ET. So when the daily reversed on the pattern trend line it looked like the reversal was on. Note: IT LOOKED LIKE. Did I know for sure? No! I had to gather the evidence. Exhaustion, position, S&R, PA and all the other things I have mentioned.

After that I could read the PA and volume signals intraday and said the strong hands were taking the market down and you would need luck to make money holding longs.

The time frame doesn't matter. It doesn't somehow straighten up its act on a bigger time frame and confuse on lower time frames. If you want to know how to do it, use the principles shown here and get on with it. I only see two people doing that. One is making money with it (ND) and the other is in sim and finding their feet with it. More are talking crap about gurus and why it can't work and that is why some try and do, some try and fail and more sit on their arse in the armchair and explain to all that nothing works.

It's like driving a car: it takes practice behind the wheel. Yet some people will fail their driving test a 100 times, some drive with white knuckled stress and some sing and take in the scenery. Some can, some can't and lots think they are know it all's.

I believed I was a pretty hot driver until a female special forces driving instructor got behind the wheel and broke all the rules for positioning a car, red-lined constantly and never got out of 3rd gear. She could leave me for dead.

Think you are a guru killer? You might think you know a lot, but what can you post before the event? If you can't make a positive contribution, why not start up a "how not to do it" thread?

If you want to see if it works - go thru the pain barrier. Honestly, these are first principles. What are some of you guys going to do if we go on the the next chapter?

If you know the market is in a downtrend you better have a short bias in your intraday trading. One week back I said the Dow was at a critical point. That was all you needed to know to make money over the past week. If you didn't catch the importance of that statement and see why it was so with a whole weekend to ponder it, you'll have zero chance on a 30 min time frame let alone a one minute chart. That's the reality behind a lot of problems here.
 

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Quote from jack411:

Nodoji,
thanks again for the chart you posted earlier. After the open, later in the day after the open, that's where I was having problems with my trendlines being respected. Do you have any examples that you can show throughout the day?

Jack, from ND's pa thread and Metal's contribution herein, do you understand this chart?
 

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I've never been able to get the hang of trendlines or chart patterns. For whatever reason I'm not able to pick them out in real time.

The only one I have any success with is the triangle, like this one I noticed this past Wednesday.

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Just for fun, here are some trendlines I marked off in hindsight.

These possible tl's could have been in play this past week.

Did any of you have these tl's on your charts?

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Quote from Xspurt:

Jack, from ND's pa thread and Metal's contribution herein, do you understand this chart?

Yes I do. I think my problem is this - I would have been trying to make the symmetrical channel lines like the ones metal posted in his first post in this thread on that first big move down - the one that ended at about 2:00pm on that chart. It looks like it would have worked for awhile but then ended at 1:30pm with a break to the downside that would have breached that channel line and finally ended at 2:00pm. (btw - I know that is an easy to read downtrend. But for the purpose of using trendlines and channels, that's what I'm asking about)
Then I would have tried again to do the same thing on the big move up that started just after 2:00pm after the higher low reversal/ double bottom. It would have been broken a couple times by a couple of small pullbacks before 2:30pm before finally holding.
I know eventually you have to adjust and make new trendlines and channels, I just want to try and make sure I'm looking at everything correctly and trying to connect the right swings at the right time.

thanks for the chart and the input!

(pic in next post below)
 
Quote from Xspurt:

Jack, from ND's pa thread and Metal's contribution herein, do you understand this chart?

Here's what I was talking about in my previous post...

my lines are blue
 

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