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Soy May Reduce Sperm Concentration

A diet rich in soy is associated with lower sperm concentrations, according to a cross-sectional study published online in Human Reproduction.
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Wow and how many lab coats did they need to figure that one out, lol.

One can just use common sense and go find out that Buddhist monks used to consume un-fermented soy in large quantities in order to kill libido. Somehow they figured it out without the labs, PhDs, the scientific process & studies.
 
benefits of soy far out way the low sperm count.

It lowers blood presure and is good for the heart. Some say it can help with clogged arteries, but i doubt that.

of all the different types of proteins,
soy is considered the "lady"

meat proteins boost testosterone but also very bad for the heart and arteries.

However, the kind of life you lead really has a small affect in your over all heath.

90% is all genetics. thats why you have joggers in perfect shape that die of heart attacks, (Jim Fixx) and fat slobs that dont excercise that live well into their 70s and 80s.

we can control very little of what is planned for us.
 
Quote from Hydroblunt:

Wow and how many lab coats did they need to figure that one out, lol.

One can just use common sense and go find out that Buddhist monks used to consume un-fermented soy in large quantities in order to kill libido. Somehow they figured it out without the labs, PhDs, the scientific process & studies.
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But did the buddhists do sperm counts because that's what the article is about? There is no necessary (or proven so far as I know) causal link between diminished libido and paucispermia.

lj
 
Quote from lilduckling:

benefits of soy far out way the low sperm count.

It lowers blood presure and is good for the heart. Some say it can help with clogged arteries, but i doubt that.

of all the different types of proteins,
soy is considered the "lady"

meat proteins boost testosterone but also very bad for the heart and arteries.

However, the kind of life you lead really has a small affect in your over all heath.

90% is all genetics. thats why you have joggers in perfect shape that die of heart attacks, (Jim Fixx) and fat slobs that dont excercise that live well into their 70s and 80s.

we can control very little of what is planned for us.
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Tell me Mr. Duck what happens to proteins after they are ingested?

lj
 
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Tell me Mr. Duck what happens to proteins after they are ingested?

lj
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they are used for cell repair along with several other process. The rate depends on what type of proteins (different proteins dont all have the same amino acids. Soy does not contain the complete chain of amino acids, beef does, etc. In todays modern diets, most of the protein is stored as fat or ends up in the toilet.

any other questions?
 
Quote from lilduckling:

they are used for cell repair along with several other process. The rate depends on what type of proteins (different proteins dont all have the same amino acids. Soy does not contain the complete chain of amino acids, beef does, etc. In todays modern diets, most of the protein is stored as fat or ends up in the toilet.

any other questions?
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Duckster,
Sorry for the delay in responding to your post but I was in transit. You know, London –Zurich-Abu Dhabi-Zurich-….
Anyhows, it’s pretty clear you have an advanced degree or two, in what I don’t know, but maybe a few more questions might help me find out.
But first the answer to my question (vide supra) is that proteins are digested after they are ingested. And to what are they digested? Why amino acids of course. You are quite correct that the absorbed amino acids are used to replenish ‘old proteins’ - the transcription/translation thingy. Did you say that? Somehow I got the idea you were saying that ‘meat proteins’ (sic) made the testosterone go up but that doesn’t make any sense since we’re talking about what’s left after digestion and whether it’s meat or soy or yeast the a.a. proportions are rather similar:

Percentage (%) by weight of amino acid (USDA Nutrient Database)
Amino Acid protein
egg white tuna beef chicken whey casein soy yeast
alanine 6.6 6.0 6.1 5.5 5.2 2.9 4.2 8.3
arginine 5.6 6.0 6.5 6.0 2.5 3.7 7.5 6.5
aspartic acid 8.9 10.2 9.1 8.9 10.9 6.6 11.5 9.8
cystine 2.5 1.1 1.3 1.3 2.2 0.3 1.3 1.4
glutamic acid 13.5 14.9 15.0 15.0 16.8 21.5 19.0 13.5
glycine 3.6 4.8 6.1 4.9 2.2 2.1 4.1 4.8
histidine * 2.2 2.9 3.2 3.1 2.0 3.0 2.6 2.6
isoleucine * 6.0 4.6 4.5 5.3 6.0 5.1 4.8 5.0
leucine * 8.5 8.1 8.0 7.5 9.5 9.0 8.1 7.1
lysine * 6.2 9.2 8.4 8.5 8.8 3.8 6.2 6.9
methionine * 3.6 3.0 2.6 2.8 1.9 2.7 1.3 1.5
phenylalanine * 6.0 3.9 3.9 4.0 2.3 5.1 5.2 4.7
proline 3.8 3.5 4.8 4.1 6.6 10.7 5.1 4.0
serine 7.3 4.0 3.9 3.4 5.4 5.6 5.2 5.1
threonine * 4.4 4.4 4.0 4.2 6.9 4.3 3.8 5.8
tryptophan * 1.4 1.1 0.7 1.2 2.2 1.3 1.3 1.6
tyrosine 2.7 3.4 3.2 3.4 2.7 5.6 3.8 5.0
valine * 7.0 5.2 5.0 5.0 6.0 6.6 5.0 6.2

Furthermore since far and away the major muscle protein is myoglobin, even if the whole 16kD were absorbed en masse (which of course it isn’t), it’s hard to see why this protein should cause testosterone production to increase. If testosterone were present in the ‘meat’ it would be rapidly catabolized by the liver (that’s why ‘illegal’ steroids must be injected).
You also said that ‘meat’ proteins are bad for the heart and arteries. How so? What’s the mechanism of that effect given that what we're talking about is a.a.'s?
Your last 3 sentences boggle the mind especially the 90% figure for the apportionment of nature vs nurture. Where did you come up with that one? The last sentence sounds like a Calvinistic view of life which is just great but I don't see what it has to do with science.

lj
 
Quote from lilduckling:

dude..... i dont have a PHD in biology.............. im just a simple country duck......


http://www.wikihow.com/Take-Care-of-Ducklings
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Close. Inorganic biochemistry. As my sainted Irish mother would say, "If we were all wise men, dere'd be no fools".

I prefer 'stupid people' to 'fools'. Having been in the position of being the former and having worked hard over the years to avoid that state [stupid to me = knowing that you don't know but refusing to ask], then what I'm left with to work on is 'the arrogance of ignorance' [ignorance to me = you don't know ± you think you do]. If you don't know and you know you don't know, then the simplest thing is to say so - that would be giving an opinion. On the other hand if you don't know, think you do and find out that you didn't, then you're back into the 'stupid' loop.

I've just had another sign from God* to STFU and close this thread which seems the prudent thing to do and which thing might have been done earlier but WTF, God will understand.

lj

*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImrtZRrS70w I luv these boys. Scots wha hae and all dat.
 
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