A religion of peace which worships the same God? not per ISIS and Burke

[Zzzz1]

Of course is the Jewish and Christian God not the same as Allah. Who claims such hogwash. Both characters are essentially opposing. How can two completely different characters and identities be one and the same.

According to the former head of the Vatican’s highest court, Cardinal Raymond Burke (pictured), Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God, since Allah is a “governor,” whereas Christianity was “founded on love.”
The modern belief that Islam and Christianity are fundamentally the same “is very much influenced by a relativism of a religious order,” the Cardinal said at a recent pressconference.

“I hear people saying to me, well, we’re all worshipping the same God. We all believe in love. But I say stop a minute, and let’s examine carefully what Islam is, and what our Christian faith teaches us.”

“I don’t believe it’s true that we’re all worshipping the same God, because the God of Islam is a governor,” Burke said. “Sharia is their law, and that law, which comes from Allah, must dominate every man eventually.”

The Cardinal said that unlike Christianity, sharia is “not a law that’s founded on love. To say that we all believe in love is simply not correct.”

Not only do Christianity and Islam differ in the nature of their laws, Burke proposed, but also in their approach to proselytism and winning over converts.

In the end, he said, we have to understand that “what they believe most deeply, that to which they ascribe in their hearts, demands that they govern the world.”

The Cardinal’s words echoed recent remarks by a senior Catholic prelate in Hungary, who warned that the enormous waves of migrants rolling into Europe are due in no small part to a Muslim “will to conquer.”

“Jihad is a principle for Muslims that means they must expand,” said Archbishop Gyula Marfi in an August interview. “The earth must become dar al-Islam, that is, Islamic territory, by introducing Sharia—Islamic law.”

Both prelates’ words, in fact, find confirmation in recent assertions by the Islamic State itself in the latest issue of its propaganda magazine, Dabiq.

“Indeed, waging jihad – spreading the rule of Allah by the sword – is an obligation found in the Quran, the word of our Lord,” the text reads.

The Islamic State was specifically reacting to Pope Francis’ claims that the war being waged by Islamic terrorists is not religious in nature, assuring the pontiff that their sole motivation is religious and sanctioned by Allah in the Qur’an.

“This is a divinely-warranted war between the Muslim nation and the nations of disbelief,” the authors state in an article titled “By the Sword.”

ISIS attacked Francis for his claim that “authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Quran are opposed to every form of violence.”

Pope Francis “has struggled against reality” in his efforts to portray Islam as a religion of peace, the article insists, before going on to urge all Muslims to take up the sword of jihad, the “greatest obligation” of a true Muslim.

In a July press conference, Pope Francis told journalists that the world is at war, but that is not a religious war.

“Every religion wants peace,” he said.

In his press conference, Cardinal Burke insisted that “what’s most important for us today is to understand Islam from its own documents and not to presume that we know already what we’re talking about.”

http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...nd-burke-muslims-christians-dont-worship-god/

 

[Zzzz1]

Nonsense. The overreaching principles to live by in the old testament are the 10 commandments. Read them again. God has never been all about love. But also about truth. But the overreaching principle by which Jews lived for thousands of years was to not kill and steal. You are basically saying that western nations are all about killing because, look, they lead the Crusades.

Neither is Judaism. Read that Old Testament sometime. Nothing in there about loving your enemy. A few stories about killing every man woman and child. 10 commandments to live by, the rest is to insure the Supremacy of Israel in the middle east. They call it Judeo-Christian. Saved our ass. Can you even imagine all the grief we would be getting if Jesus wasn't born a Jew? Close call for us. Time for Islam to also find a peace loving sister religion. Islamic-Buddhist values, how's that sound?

 

[OddTrader]

According to the former head of the Vatican’s highest court, Cardinal Raymond Burke (pictured), Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God, since Allah is a “governor,” whereas Christianity was “founded on love.”

Galileo Galilei

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei

It was while Galileo was under house arrest that he dedicated his time to one of his finest works, Two New Sciences. Here he summarised work he had done some forty years earlier, on the two sciences now called kinematics and strength of materials, published in Holland to avoid the censor. This book has received high praise from Albert Einstein.[89] As a result of this work, Galileo is often called the "father of modern physics". He went completely blind in 1638 and was suffering from a painful hernia and insomnia, so he was permitted to travel to Florence for medical advice.[9][10]

Dava Sobel argues that prior to Galileo's 1633 trial and judgement for heresy, Pope Urban VIII had become preoccupied with court intrigue and problems of state, and began to fear persecution or threats to his own life. In this context, Sobel argues that the problem of Galileo was presented to the pope by court insiders and enemies of Galileo. Having been accused of weakness in defending the church, Urban reacted against Galileo out of anger and fear.[90]

 

[murray t turtle]

Personally I wouldn't think that problem is the historical Jesus expected.

Or I should say that around 2,000 years ago, the living followers of Jesus would be truly lucky if not be killed.

The current Pope seems a rational and progressive Christian, trying to set a moderisation example for improvement, civilisation and humanity of All religions.

Some conservative opponents naturally would say something opposite against him! LOL

I see your points O Trader; but king David was real good with the LORD of Hosts [Angel Armies] who NEVER lost a war. Battles may get bloody.Thanks; bumper sticker says ''warning ,driver only carries $20 worth of ammo'' LOL-

 

[OddTrader]

I see your points O Trader; but king David was real good with the LORD of Hosts [Angel Armies] who NEVER lost a war. Battles may get bloody.Thanks; bumper sticker says ''warning ,driver only carries $20 worth of ammo'' LOL-

I have to admit knowing practically nothing about the above.

Anyway, why did he involve so many wars, as you implied. Invading or defending?

Were all those wars he won for justice for himself or others?

If all wars were for defending and just, and won all wars without losing any, why then still so many wars? Was this strong winning-man a good guy?

Why did others invade his country for so many times, again and again, knowing he was so good at winning wars (for defending)? Were those other guys invading him so stupid, disregarding the great danger of to be killed?

imo, we need logic and rationality to understand and analyse the contents, whether historical or fictional.

I am just wondering!?

 

[java]

I have to admit knowing practically nothing about the above.

Anyway, why did he involve so many wars, as you implied. Invading or defending?

Were all those wars he won for justice for himself or others?

If all wars were for defending and just, and won all wars without losing any, why then still so many wars? Was this strong winning-man a good guy?

Why did others invade his country for so many times, again and again, knowing he was so good at winning wars (for defending)? Were those other guys invading him so stupid, disregarding the great danger of to be killed?

imo, we need logic and rationality to understand and analyse the contents, whether historical or fictional.

I am just wondering!?

Once you have a full grasp of The Hatfields and The McCoys, the Old Testament starts making the same kind of sense.

 

[OddTrader]

Once you have a full grasp of The Hatfields and The McCoys, the Old Testament starts making the same kind of sense.

https://elitetrader.com/et/threads/on-usefulness-of-religion.307880/

http://www.history.com/shows/hatfields-and-mccoys/articles/the-hatfield-mccoy-feud
As the feud faded, both family leaders attempted to recede into relative obscurity. Randolph McCoy became a ferry operator. In 1914 he died at the age of 88 from burns suffered in an accidental fire. By all accounts, he continued to be haunted by the deaths of his children. Devil Anse Hatfield, who had long proclaimed his skepticism about religion, was born again later in life when he was baptized for the first time at age 73. Although the conflict subsided generations ago, the names Hatfield and McCoy continue to loom large in the American imagination.

 

[murray t turtle]

Of course is the Jewish and Christian God not the same as Allah. Who claims such hogwash. Both characters are essentially opposing. How can two completely different characters and identities be one and the same.

%% You are exactly right; + their book is not even in the same class, so to speak as the Bible, Gods word . Good thing for us, most muslims [about 90%] dont believe their book.

 

[Overnight]

Nonsense. The overreaching principles to live by in the old testament are the 10 commandments. Read them again. God has never been all about love. But also about truth. But the overreaching principle by which Jews lived for thousands of years was to not kill and steal. You are basically saying that western nations are all about killing because, look, they lead the Crusades.

That commandment about killing is a false interpretation. It is translated into English as "Thou shalt not murder". If it were any other way, then self-defense become impossible, which is heresy to the truths of the Old Testament about the sanctity of life.

 

[murray t turtle]

That commandment about killing is a false interpretation. It is translated into English as "Thou shalt not murder". If it were any other way, then self-defense become impossible, which is heresy to the truths of the Old Testament about the sanctity of life.

%%
Exactly OVernite. Besides; king Saul killed his thousands, king David killed his 10,000s. King David was a warrior, poet + man after Gods own heart