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[loyek590]

Obey Obama's Laws !

I would if I could figure them out, still not sure if I am going to get nailed for not having lawful health insurance

I'll be ok if global warming creates drought

if not, I could get nailed for grazing on a wetland

we are a land of laws, and he who writes them can fuck you up if you are not his friend

that's how the Arab spring began in Tunisia, a fruit vendor just couldn't take one more law, and set himself on fire

I'm all for lawlessness, the writers of the laws are our enemies, and they need to be killed, and you can start with Nancy Pelosi, who fucked up my health care

 

[CaptainObvious]

It was not my intention to give the deceased Michael Brown a new job title by calling him the new "pollster" boy. He's just another dead thug. However, the thought remains the same that a criminal should not be the poster boy for this new civil rights movement. True civil rights injustice is diminished in doing so.

 

[kut2k2]

It was not my intention to give the deceased Michael Brown a new job title by calling him the new "pollster" boy. He's just another dead thug. However, the thought remains the same that a criminal should not be the poster boy for this new civil rights movement. True civil rights injustice is diminished in doing so.

I tend to agree with you, Michael Brown is not an "ideal victim". He was a thug. But there are established procedures for escalation of force by cops and Wilson went directly from contact to lethal with nothing inbetween. Wilson didn't initiate contact because Brown had just robbed a convenience store, this was a traffic situation. Did Wilson provoke a confrontation by going all Dirty Harry on a couple of jaywalkers? If so, he bears some responsibility.

 

[CaptainObvious]

I tend to agree with you, Michael Brown is not an "ideal victim". He was a thug. But there are established procedures for escalation of foce by cops and Wilson went directly from contact to lethal with nothing inbetween. Wilson didn't initiate contact because Brown had just robbed a convenience store, this was a traffic situation. Did Wilson provoke a confrontation by going all Dirty Harry on a coupke of jaywalkers? If so, he bears some responsibility.

And I can see that point of view however argumentative it may be, but at the end of the day, Brown did everything wrong as well if you want to have a chance at surviving that situation. You just can't swing on a cop and expect things to turn out well.
Back to the poster boy issue. Blacks do themselves no favors when they select situations like these to talk about civil rights violations. There are plenty of actual civil rights infractions to choose from that involve truly innocent victims. There are also many other cases where the militarization and over reaction by police which would be much better examples than cop shoots obvious criminal.

 

[kut2k2]

And I can see that point of view however argumentative it may be, but at the end of the day, Brown did everything wrong as well if you want to have a chance at surviving that situation. You just can't swing on a cop and expect things to turn out well.
Back to the poster boy issue. Blacks do themselves no favors when they select situations like these to talk about civil rights violations. There are plenty of actual civil rights infractions to choose from that involve truly innocent victims. There are also many other cases where the militarization and over reaction by police which would be much better examples than cop shoots obvious criminal.

The big question remains, how would Wilson have initiated contact if those were two White teens walking down the street in the White part of town? I have the nagging sensation the contact would have been considerably more courteous and the outcome very different.

 

[loyek590]

The big question remains, how would Wilson have initiated contact if those were two White teens walking down the street in the White part of town? I have the nagging sensation the contact would have been considerably more courteous and the outcome very different.

and there are only two ways to address your nagging sensation

1. Burn the mother fucker down!

or

2. vote

 

[loyek590]

and those old white republicans really don't like the idea of young blacks voting

or old blacks voting for that matter

the worst thing they did was shut down Sunday voting in Ohio, because it was common for after church on Sunday for many black churches to provide busses to the polling place

It's particularly disgustful, since in ages past, church was the only place Blacks were allowed to congregate.

 

[gwb-trading]

and those old white republicans really don't like the idea of young blacks voting

or old blacks voting for that matter

the worst thing they did was shut down Sunday voting in Ohio, because it was common for after church on Sunday for many black churches to provide busses to the polling place

It's particularly disgustful, since in ages past, church was the only place Blacks were allowed to congregate.

What was really disgusting is that these train of buses would go to multiple polling stations and each person on the bus would vote multiple times - as per the instructions of the leaders on the bus to vote straight ticket Democratic. Of course, they took everyone to Walmart afterwards and gave each a $25 gift card - effectively paying them for their vote (or multiple votes).

About time this nonsense was shutdown - it disappeared in North Carolina in the recent election when they removed straight ticket party voting from the ballot. You now have to vote in each race. And it is difficult for illiterate people to actually read the ballot while bused around to vote illegally in multiple precincts.

 

[loyek590]

What was really disgusting is that these train of buses would go to multiple polling stations and each person on the bus would vote multiple times - as per the instructions of the leaders on the bus to vote straight ticket Democratic. Of course, they took everyone to Walmart afterwards and gave each a $25 gift card - effectively paying them for their vote (or multiple votes).

About time this nonsense was shutdown - it disappeared in North Carolina in the recent election when they removed straight ticket party voting from the ballot. You now have to vote in each race. And it is difficult for illiterate people to actually read the ballot while bused around to vote illegally in multiple precincts.

white land owners only
blacks count as 3/5s of a vote
that's the way our fore fathers set it up
bout time someone starts respecting the original constitution
it's a legal document between you and the lawyer and should be respected just like your mortgage contract, or your credit card agreement

read the fine print

many brave men have died defending that legal document, and the lawyers who wrote it

 

[CaptainObvious]

The big question remains, how would Wilson have initiated contact if those were two White teens walking down the street in the White part of town? I have the nagging sensation the contact would have been considerably more courteous and the outcome very different.

Well, it depends who you believe. As I understand it Brown and his friend were walking down the middle of the street when Wilson came up on them, at which point he told them to get on the sidewalk. I think if that same situation happens in my Lilly white neighborhood the cop does the same thing telling some white guys to get out of the street and on the sidewalk. Here's where the story goes sideways. Wilson's account is that Brown told him to fuck off. Did that actually happen? If so, it certainly escalates the situation regardless of skin color. Did Wilson suddenly learn Brown fit the description of a recent robbery? Personally I don't know if that ever got ferreted out in the Grand Jury testimony.
Far as I can learn is that Brown did everything wrong on that fateful day, up to and including the fight with Wilson, and Wilson was simply doing his job. It is at the point which Brown escapes Wilsons grasp and starts to run is where I would have questions. With all the wisdom of hindsight, did Wilson have to pursue Brown? Should he have pursued Brown at all given the fight he had just been in? Would having been in this fight with Brown alter his judgment in some way as to what his deadly force options would be? This is why I felt, and wrote in another thread on the evening of the decision that I thought Wilson would be charged with involuntary manslaughter. This specific piece of the investigation should have been decided in a jury trial IMO. This not happening was a failure on the part of the Grand Jury, again IMO.
All that said, this in no way justifies the rioting and looting, the obvious race bating by Rev. Al and the like, the trial by media and stoking of the racial component by media types. It also does not exempt Brown from his culpability in all of this. Don't rob the store, don't fight the cop, he's still breathing today. Probably in a jail cell, but it would have been a short term stay. Wherever he's at now is a more permanent condition, and that's the real lesson here.