A planet with no money
- Thread starter Sanaz3
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Sanaz you're saying that everything would be free and I could set my own hours if I would just wake up?
I can't speak for anyone else but I can say without a doubt that if that fantasy of yours became true I would work exactly 0 hours and take pretty much everything I saw.
Please leave the economics portion of the forum and go to chitchat or some other equally useless corner.
I can't speak for anyone else but I can say without a doubt that if that fantasy of yours became true I would work exactly 0 hours and take pretty much everything I saw.
Please leave the economics portion of the forum and go to chitchat or some other equally useless corner.
No freeloading! That's what you are missing. So if you did nothing and people around you noticed that you absolutely do nothing except freeloading, they would definitely warn you that no society needs parasites like you. Whether it's a capitalist society or money-less one, whoever cheats or abuse the system, it would place a burden on others. And please go read my other posts from the beginning of this thread as I did clarify such issues before.
Quote from DT-waw:
you'll get bored pretty quickly
esp. when people around you will work from time to time, you'd just feel bad.
just out of pure boredom you'll start doing something creative, i can assure you
Exactly!
Besides, even if nobody noticed you are freeloading and you didn't even feel bored, at some point you would start feeling ashamed of yourself. Because everybody was doing something and you just laid on the couch and kept watching the Simpsons on a 48" HDTV
all the greatest discoveries, turning points in mankind developments came from the individuals who did this out of passion not a labour slavery.
so many examples: steve jobs, richard branson, einstein, edison, tesla, jung, wilhelm reich, osho.
they contributed immensly to the society without any outside pressure - in fact, this is the only way to achieve great things.
anyone saying "i'll lay on a beach with cold drinks and do nada" is a victim of being forced to work he hates.
so many examples: steve jobs, richard branson, einstein, edison, tesla, jung, wilhelm reich, osho.
they contributed immensly to the society without any outside pressure - in fact, this is the only way to achieve great things.
anyone saying "i'll lay on a beach with cold drinks and do nada" is a victim of being forced to work he hates.
notice how many "jobs" today do not bring ANY REAL value to the humanity:
- financial advisors
- traders (Yeeesss!!)
- accountants
- security staff
- military
- police
- lawyers (what lawyers do at minus 30 degrees celcius? finally put hands in their own pockets...)
- IRS, CIA, NSA, FDA, etc. employees
- cars, insurance salesmen
- real estate agents
they produce nothing, they do not discover new ideas or new solutions to solve real issues which are always technical or psychological. they do not build wealth, only protect or transfer it.
what a terrible waste of human potential, intelligence and creativity!
even if 1% of these people could come up with one useful thing once a year, we will all benefit.
- financial advisors
- traders (Yeeesss!!)
- accountants
- security staff
- military
- police
- lawyers (what lawyers do at minus 30 degrees celcius? finally put hands in their own pockets...)
- IRS, CIA, NSA, FDA, etc. employees
- cars, insurance salesmen
- real estate agents
they produce nothing, they do not discover new ideas or new solutions to solve real issues which are always technical or psychological. they do not build wealth, only protect or transfer it.
what a terrible waste of human potential, intelligence and creativity!
even if 1% of these people could come up with one useful thing once a year, we will all benefit.
A) You are assuming all people are ambitious like you and me and the people you listed. Take a walk outside your upper-middle class neighborhood and go actually see how many people out there work jobs they hate just to put food in their bellies, rent a shitty apartment, with hopefully a few bucks left over for beer and weed. They would quit in a moment if they could just say they are aspiring actors or bikini inspectors or champagne testers, and still have their needs met.
B) Who is going to do the shitty jobs? I don't mean the glamorous danger-filled jobs like firefighter or stunt man, I mean the really awful, mind numbing jobs like assembly line work. Who will volunteer to put bolt #58493 into hole #93029 and torque it to 25 In-Lbs, a thousand times a day, five days a week, 50 weeks a year, for a lifetime? You take a job like that because you need a job, any job. You stay because as bad as it is, starving and being homeless is worse.
C) I completely agree that the people you mention as having made great contributions to society would have done so in a moneyless world. I also agree that there would be a net gain of people who could make a great contribution, but cannot because they have to work in another job. But those unrealized contributions to society are far far outweighed by the increase in freeloaders.
D) It has not been satisfactorily addressed how you will make sure that there is not widespread abuse of the system. In a money based society, we have money to take on that role: if you don't do no work, you don't get no money.
"imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try"
This was painful to read. It is nice when someone actually thinks about their post before hitting submit.
I can come up with a long list of how each of these roles benefits people. And most of your conclusions about these roles are highly subjective and flawed.
As one example, you think the military did not serve Allies to prevent Hitler and Japan from carving up the entire world under their dominion?