A peek inside the Health Care Bill

clacy · Nov 12, 2009

Quote from piezoe:

The section and pages you refer to in HR3962 does not replace physicians nor prohibit them from attending to hospice patients, at merely broadens the kinds of healthcare personnel that can provide services to hospice care patients, including ordering post hospital extended care services.

I suggest you read it yourself.

I have read a fair amount of HR3200 and I can say that it will be a job killer for many small businesses.

Anyone involved in the writing of this bill clearly has never run a small business.

Index piker · Nov 12, 2009

Quote from piezoe:

In case anyone here is interested in the truth,
Also I might add that if any of you are capable of simple arithmetic you will know that the cost per person is less than $30/mo,

You lost me there , I mean that had me laughing so hard coca cola came shooting out my nose.

Index piker · Nov 12, 2009

Quote from piezoe:

There is nothing about this in HR3200 on the pages you cite.

There is no Section 1114 in HR3200.

We should be making wider use of nurse practitioners, physician assistants, and other auxiliary health care professionals where the higher cost of a physicians time is wasteful and unneeded. That only makes sense.

Complete BS . If you want someone to take the responsibility of diagnosing or acting in the capacity of an MD you will need to pay him more for assuming the risks of those decisions.

If I'm not going to get paid more why should I risk getting sued?

2 words for you: TORT REFORM

tman · Nov 12, 2009

Quote from Vinny1:

Are these premiums for the public option plan? They are extremely high. These amounts cannot be right.

Private insurance now is cheaper than these prices. My family, which includes 3 people, pays only about $2,000 per year for insurance with Humana with a $7,500 deductible here in Georgia. I am self employed and my wife is a stay at home mom.

These prices are what you would pay in New Jersey today. The federal plan will pretty much bring NJ style health insurance to the whole country. We already enjoy community rating with coverage for pre-existing conditions after a 6 month waiting period. At least I could leave NJ if I wanted to. Now there'll be no place to hide.

the1 · Nov 12, 2009

I'm not the one who took offense to that issue. I actually believe the health care industry should use Physician's Assistants more frequently, including the care for hospice patients. I frequently visit a PA rather than my regular doctor if I need to be seen for routine things. With the internet at my hands I frequently know just as much as my doctor or PA.

Now if I need someone to ram their finger up my backside and have a good feel around then yeah, I'm gonna have to see the chief. No way I'm giving an Assistant that kind of pleasure

Quote from piezoe:

The section and pages you refer to in HR3962 does not replace physicians nor prohibit them from attending to hospice patients, at merely broadens the kinds of healthcare personnel that can provide services to hospice care patients, including ordering post hospital extended care services.

I suggest you read it yourself.

piezoe · Nov 12, 2009

Quote from the1:

I'm not the one who took offense to that issue. I actually believe the health care industry should use Physician's Assistants more frequently, including the care for hospice patients. I frequently visit a PA rather than my regular doctor if I need to be seen for routine things. With the internet at my hands I frequently know just as much as my doctor or PA.

Now if I need someone to ram their finger up my backside and have a good feel around then yeah, I'm gonna have to see the chief. No way I'm giving an Assistant that kind of pleasure

Exactly. That's one way to bring in competition and bring down costs: use a wider range of medically trained personnel and give them greater responsibilities within their areas of training.

In many countries, for example, pharmacists can prescribe a wide range of drugs. You don't need a physicians prescription to get an effective corticosteroid for poison. This need to run to a physician for every prescription has become a real racket in the US.

piezoe · Nov 12, 2009

Quote from Index piker:

You lost me there , I mean that had me laughing so hard coca cola came shooting out my nose.

OK take 1.06 trillion over ten years. Now figure out how much per person that comes to per month. You do the math.

Index piker · Nov 12, 2009

Quote from piezoe:

OK take 1.06 trillion over ten years. Now figure out how much per person that comes to per month. You do the math.

If you believe this low cost 30$/month thing you have problems with gullibility and need to be careful of telemarketers,and trading system hucksters.

Mnphats · Nov 12, 2009

Quote from piezoe:

We should be making wider use of nurse practitioners, physician assistants, and other auxiliary health care professionals where the higher cost of a physicians time is wasteful and unneeded. That only makes sense.

I do agree with what you posted. However, we already have this option. I don't need the government to TELL me I have to use a nurse practitioner.

Vinny1 · Nov 13, 2009

Quote from cstfx:

To put things in perspective, I have my own insurance plan for me and my family thru Oxford (here in NYC region) and our monthly premium is 1300+ with a 2500 deductable which does not include dental. This is on par with other similar plans offered by other companies.

True reform to lower costs would have been to allow me to purchase plans from your area or another where I could have actual price competition. That is the true way to lower health costs.

You can get a lower price in NY than $1,300/month. Check out www.ehealthinsurance.com

I saw a quote in Manhattan for a family of three for $340/month, which was the cheapest with Empire Blue Cross Blue Shield.