A overview of right-wing lying and race-baiting about 'caravans'

[exGOPer]

So a small portion of the individuals in the caravan where not going to try to make it all the way to the U.S. --- all the interviews by CNN showed that their intent was to eventually get to the U.S. All the statements made by the caravan members show their primary intent to enter the U.S. illegally.

Can't you be consistent even in a single post?

 

[gwb-trading]

Can't you be consistent even in a single post?

Go read CNN and educate yourself.

 

[exGOPer]

Go read CNN and educate yourself.

So a small portion of the individuals in the caravan where not going to try to make it all the way to the U.S. --- all the interviews by CNN showed that their intent was to eventually get to the U.S. All the statements made by the caravan members show their primary intent to enter the U.S. illegally.

You should follow your own advice

From your link


Dangerous' to go to US
But not everyone in the caravan seeks to go to the US.

Eric Sagastume from Guatemala, says the risks are too great for him to attempt to enter the US again. He was deported 13 years ago.
When asked why he doesn't want to go all the way to the US border, Sagastume, 61, shook his head slowly and folded his glasses.
"It's a bad place for Central American people, Mexican people," he replied. "United States have a bad, bad president. This is dangerous."

 

[gwb-trading]

You should follow your own advice

From your link


Dangerous' to go to US
But not everyone in the caravan seeks to go to the US.

Eric Sagastume from Guatemala, says the risks are too great for him to attempt to enter the US again. He was deported 13 years ago.
When asked why he doesn't want to go all the way to the US border, Sagastume, 61, shook his head slowly and folded his glasses.
"It's a bad place for Central American people, Mexican people," he replied. "United States have a bad, bad president. This is dangerous."

Yes, the old and infirm are the ones not trying to make it all the way to the United States as outlined in the coverage. Nearly 400 have been captured by the Mexican government, denied asylum, and will be shipped back to their home countries.

Of course, those marching all the way to the U.S. have been allowed by the Mexican government to keep moving north.

 

[piezoe]

t was the kind of story destined to take a dark turn through the conservative news media and grab President Trump’s attention: A vast horde of migrants was making its way through Mexico toward the United States, and no one was stopping them.

“Mysterious group deploys ‘caravan’ of illegal aliens headed for U.S. border,” warned Frontpage Mag, a site run by David Horowitz, a conservative commentator.

The Gateway Pundit, a website that was most recently in the news for spreading conspiracies about the school shooting in Parkland, Fla., suggested the real reason the migrants were trying to enter the United States was to collect social welfare benefits.

And as the president often does when immigration is at issue, he saw a reason for Americans to be afraid. “Getting more dangerous. ‘Caravans’ coming,” a Twitter post from Mr. Trump read.

The story of “the caravan” followed an arc similar to many events — whether real, embellished or entirely imagined — involving refugees and migrants that have roused intense suspicion and outrage on the right. The coverage tends to play on the fears that hiding among mass groups of immigrants are many criminals, vectors of disease and agents of terror. And often the president, who announced his candidacy by blaming Mexico for sending rapists and drug dealers into the United States, acts as an accelerant to the hysteria.

The sensationalization of this story and others like it seems to serve a common purpose for Mr. Trump and other immigration hard-liners: to highlight the twin dangers of freely roving migrants — especially those from Muslim countries — and lax immigration laws that grant them easy entry into Western nations.

The narrative on the right this week, for example, mostly omitted that many people in the caravan planned to resettle in Mexico, not the United States. And it ignored how many of those who did intend to come here would probably go through the legal process of requesting asylum at a border checkpoint — something miles of new wall and battalions of additional border patrol would not have stopped.

“They end up in schools on Long Island, some of which are MS-13!” declared Brian Kilmeade on the president’s preferred morning news program, “Fox & Friends,” referring to the predominantly Central American gang.

The coverage became so distorted that it prompted a reporter for Breitbart News who covers border migration, Brandon Darby, to push back. “I’m seeing a lot of right media cover this as ‘people coming illegally’ or as ‘illegal aliens.’ That is incorrect,” he wrote on Twitter. “They are coming to a port of entry and requesting refugee status. That is legal.”

In an interview, Mr. Darby said it was regrettable that the relatively routine occurrence of migrant caravans — which organizers rely on as a safety-in-numbers precaution against the violence that can happen along the trek — was being politicized. “The caravan isn’t something that’s a unique event,” he said. “And I think people are looking at it wrong. If you’re upset at the situation, it’s easier to be mad at the migrant than it is to be mad at the political leaders on both sides who won’t change the laws.”

As tends to be the case in these stories, the humanitarian aspects get glossed over as migrants are collapsed into one maligned category: hostile foreign invaders.

In November, Mr. Trump touched off an international furor when he posted a series of videos on Twitter that purported to show the effects of mass Muslim migration in Europe. Initially circulated by a fringe ultranationalist in Britain who has railed against Islam, the videos included titles like “Muslim migrant beats up Dutch boy on crutches!” “Muslim Destroys a Statue of Virgin Mary!” and “Islamist mob pushes teenage boy off roof and beats him to death!”

The assailant in one video the president shared, however, was not a “Muslim migrant.” And the other two videos depicted four-year-old events with no explanation.

These items tend to metastasize irrespective of the facts, but contain powerful visual elements to which Mr. Trump is known to viscerally respond.

Last February, Mr. Trump insinuated that some kind of terror-related episode involving Muslim immigrants had taken place in Sweden. “Who would believe this? Sweden,” he said at a rally in Florida, leaving Swedes and Americans baffled because nothing out of the ordinary had happened at all. “They took in large numbers. They’re having problems like they never thought possible.”

Like the caravan story, which apparently came to Mr. Trump’s attention as he watched “Fox & Friends,” the president was referring to something he had seen on cable news. And he later had to clarify that he was referring to a Fox News segment on issues Sweden was having with migrants generally, not any particular event.

The conservative National Review later called the piece in question “sensationalistic” and pointed out that a lack of government data made it virtually impossible to determine whether crime rates in the country were related to immigration.

When the president himself has not spread stories about immigration that were either misleading or turned out to be false, his White House aides have. Last year, the White House joined a pile-on by the conservative news media after it called attention to the account of a high school student in Montgomery County, Md., who said she was raped at school by two classmates, one of whom is an undocumented immigrant. The case became a national rallying cry on the right against permissive border policies and so-called sanctuary cities that treat undocumented immigrants more leniently. Fox News broadcast live outside the high school for days.

Prosecutors later dropped the charges after they said the evidence did not substantiate the girl’s claims.

The story of the caravan has been similarly exaggerated. And the emotional outpouring from the right has been raw — that was the case on Fox this week when the TV host Tucker Carlson shouted “You hate America!” at an immigrants rights activist after he defended the people marching through Mexico.

The facts of the caravan are not as straightforward as Mr. Trump or many conservative pundits have portrayed them. The story initially gained widespread attention after BuzzFeed News reported last week that more than 1,000 Central American migrants, mostly from Honduras, were making their way north toward the United States border. Yet the BuzzFeed article and other coverage pointed out that many in the group were planning to stay in Mexico.

That did not stop Mr. Trump from expressing dismay on Tuesday with a situation “where you have thousands of people that decide to just walk into our country, and we don’t have any laws that can protect it.”

The use of disinformation in immigration debates is hardly unique to the United States. Misleading crime statistics, speculation about sinister plots to undermine national sovereignty and Russian propaganda have all played a role in stirring up anti-immigrant sentiment in places like Britain, Germany and Hungary. Some of the more fantastical theories have involved a socialist conspiracy to import left-leaning voters and a scheme by the Hungarian-born Jewish philanthropist George Soros to create a borderless Europe.

Anyone watching Fox News this week would have heard about similar forces at work inside “the caravan.”

“This was an organized plan and deliberate attack on the sovereignty of the United States by a special interest group,” said David Ward, whom the network identified as a former agent for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. “They rallied a bunch of foreign nationals to come north into the United States to test our resolve.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/04/...ervative-media-immigration.html?smid=tw-share

Thank you so much for posting this important article from the Times.

 

[piezoe]

Yes, the old and infirm are the ones not trying to make it all the way to the United States as outlined in the coverage. Nearly 400 have been captured by the Mexican government, denied asylum, and will be shipped back to their home countries.

Of course, those marching all the way to the U.S. have been allowed by the Mexican government to keep moving north.

But of course we realize that U.S. news agencies will interview those hoping for asylum in the U.S. in preference to those planning on staying in Mexico. This is what I would do, were I a U.S. reporter. I'd be interested in interviewing those whose stories were of greatest interest to U.S. citizens. I would imagine that Mexican media will emphasize interviews of those hoping to be allowed to stay in Mexico. We should not allow ourselves to be lulled into forgetting to put on our "thinking caps." Let's not allow ourselves to start "thinking" like Donald Trump.

 

[gwb-trading]

But of course we realize that U.S. news agencies will interview those hoping for asylum in the U.S. in preference to those planning on staying in Mexico. This is what I would do, were I a U.S. reporter. I'd be interested in interviewing those whose stories were of greatest interest to U.S. citizens. I would imagine that Mexican media will emphasize interviews of those hoping to be allowed to stay in Mexico. We should not allow ourselves to be lulled into forgetting to put on our "thinking caps." Let's not allow ourselves to start "thinking" like Donald Trump.

Actually if you go watch CNN they mainly tried to interview those who were staying in Mexico -- trying to understand why they were staying in Mexico rather than going to the promised land of the United States.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Living in Colombia and Panama some of the time and being extremely white I have met so many old cons backpacking when I explore. I still prefer backpackers when traveling alone as you meet people and they have better info on the area. A good way to have contact with the youngers & fellow Europeans also.

There is a really puzzling racism from these cons very often, on one level they say they love the country, they certainly like the women and they appreciate so many things (great medical care for a cheap price being a major one). But there is this negative unneeded superior whining thing that never leaves them. Colombians will always be inferior "not exceptional" little brown people who's lives aren't a percent the value of an American's.

It is really callous.

The US could likely stabilise Honduras in a collation but there is no will. Maybe the problem is too politically profitable? The place is very nice, tourists are not the target and I have met many who recommended it. It is no Syria like it is being made out to be.

 

[jem]

so once again we have a contrived story from the New York times and a fake news headline from exgoper.

Latino or hispanic can not involve racism because Latino and hispanic are not races.

the only race baiting going on is from the leftists calling out racism.

 

[Slartibartfast]

so once again we have a contrived story from the New York times and a fake news headline from exgoper.

Latino or hispanic can not involve racism because Latino and hispanic are not races.

the only race baiting going on is from the leftists calling out racism.

I saw Jem replied due to the glitch and took him off ignore as this is important.

You are from a backwards country. Why are posting here? You are not exceptional.

You support the guy in the article.

"You are not exceptional".. this is when he thought I was a little brown Colombian I think.

It is a tossup between racism and bigotry with conservative Americans. Racism is a theory of inherent superiority through genetics, bigotry is more general however conservatives in the US borrow from both columns.

Decades of squirming to avoid these labels has them believing their own dodges.

So what do you say @jem , wildchild is a bit of a racist/bigot and he is on your "team". KKKinthebeltway and several other extremists never get told to stop being pigs, no comment is made.

Are are what you accept is how I was brought up to think.