And you call yourself Libertarian. What a laugh!
A New Jobs Program?
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And you call yourself Libertarian. What a laugh!
Welfare Woman Of 3 Children Brags: ‘I Will Never Work’
Recently, a woman named Lucy in Riverside, TX made a very bold statement. She claimed that staying at home with her three children and living on welfare is “the smarter way to live” than having a job.
Lucy revealed her position when she called into the KLBJ radio station in Austin, TX. Her intention was to publicly disagree with the hosts, who were discussing the morality of working hard rather than being on welfare. After revealing some key information, hosts determine that Lucy makes about $1,200 a month on welfare.
That means that he bills are completely covered. Her rent is only $50 a month, her cell phone is free, she has $425 to spend each month on food, and even has money provided to her for electricity and water. To top it off, her husband receives family benefits.
According to Lucy, she plans to be on welfare for the rest of her life, claiming that it gives her the ability to stay home all day, and that she has time to spend with her friends. She says that if others were to be given the same opportunity, or handed a million dollars with no requirements to fulfill, that it would simply be foolish to work.
Welfare Recipients Can Now Collect More Than Teachers Earn
By: Kristin Tate Aug 20, 2013
A new study by the CATO Institute, a public policy think tank, found that some welfare recipients make more “income” than those in the private sector.
A mother with two children in New York, for instance, is able to collect $38,004 per year in welfare handouts. This is greater than the starting salary of a teacher in the state.
And the problem is not limited to New York. CATO found that many states give handouts with sums greater than what workers earn in the private sector. According to the study, Hawaii is generally the most generous with benefits — there, a mother of two is eligible to earn $60,590 per year.
The study also pointed out the least generous states. A mother of two in Idaho, the state that came in dead last, is only eligible for $11,150 per year.
Perhaps most unsettling is the fact that in 33 states, welfare recipients make more than they would at an $8 per hour job. In fact, in 12 of those states, welfare recipients make more than they would at a $12 per hour job.
By: Kristin Tate Aug 20, 2013
A new study by the CATO Institute, a public policy think tank, found that some welfare recipients make more “income” than those in the private sector.
A mother with two children in New York, for instance, is able to collect $38,004 per year in welfare handouts. This is greater than the starting salary of a teacher in the state.
And the problem is not limited to New York. CATO found that many states give handouts with sums greater than what workers earn in the private sector. According to the study, Hawaii is generally the most generous with benefits — there, a mother of two is eligible to earn $60,590 per year.
The study also pointed out the least generous states. A mother of two in Idaho, the state that came in dead last, is only eligible for $11,150 per year.
Perhaps most unsettling is the fact that in 33 states, welfare recipients make more than they would at an $8 per hour job. In fact, in 12 of those states, welfare recipients make more than they would at a $12 per hour job.
I'm a pragmatic libertarian. I like simple solutions that are based on math, not some subjective judgment by a government social worker. According to your strict definition of a libertarian, they must all be against social security. Social Security is a simple pragmatic solution to a population of elderly poor with no hope other than a new government handout each month voted on all the time by congress. It's based on math. When you sign up, you qualify. They don't have a social worker who reviews your application and decides if you were really trying for 65 years.
In the other thread, you're calling for people not getting paid overtime to unionize - let me guess, the government should regulate it, too. You are no where near a Libertarian. I'd bet dollars to donuts you don't have any idea what the platform stands for.
Libertarians aren't just for "simple solutions based on math". LOL...
Read Tao's posts, and Doh's, and AAA's. You'll be able to compile a list of talking points in a matter of hours.
P.S. They all like to laugh, which gives the impression that being rightwing loonies is one big gut-busting experience after another. Not a bad way of live if one can avoid institutionalization.
The DemoCraps have certainly done a good job buying her vote!
She boasts, "I will never work", but it's OK with her if others work to pay for her life style.
That's the kind of thing that has Hispanics flooding the border. (Along with Jihadists, of course.)
America, what a country!
like I said, many shallow, small minded so called conservatives stop listening to me as soon as I say something other than the party line. It's based more on code words, like "union" rather than reason.
The platform stands for letting a mother be the God of the Universe her unborn baby lives in. Letting me smoke pot if I want to, not because they can tax it, but because it is my libertarian right.
This county could cut spending every year for the rest of my life and still never be anywhere close to conservative, let alone libertarian. And for most us, the only real interaction we have with the government comes once a year April 15th. But for too many of the increasing small minority of small business owners and farmers and ranchers, the EPA and OSHA, the DOJ, and who knows what all are interfering with their day to day work of making a living and has become intolerable. And a lot of it (if not most of it) is instigated and supported by the competition thwarting republican party.
otherwise, "make work" while certainly not libertarian, beats the heck out of debating how long and how much someone should get unemployment insurance, or welfare. I'm sure if it was ever implemented, it would not take long for democrats to start complaining that people on the "make work" program can't survive on the low government wage. But at least, they would be getting dressed each day and showing up for work. And many after a while would probably say, "Fuck it, if I have to go through all this just to get small government stipend, I'll just go get a real job where at least I have a chance of getting a raise."
and I don't see what unionizing has to do with libertarianism. It is just a private method of increasing bargaining power. Has nothing to do with the government, so should be none of a libertarian's concern.
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There's a lot of randomness in this and it's difficult to follow, so let's just stay on the "make work" proposal you agree with. Just so I have it clear, you're proposing (or agreeing with the proposal) that the government should create a jobs program for anyone who wants it, right? And you think this, plus welfare (food stamps, subsidized housing, whatever) should be every citizen's right? And you propose to pay for these programs in what fashion - increasing taxes on those who are productive in society?
I just want to make sure I understand what you are arguing before I offer rebuttal.
no, I am a big believer in food stamps, and think everybody should get them regardless of income. Welfare is a disaster that ruins families.
Be kind of hard to stand by the road with a sign, "Will work for food" when everybody gets food stamps and anybody who wants a job can just go to the government "make work" office. Then, the only thing the unemployment rate would measure is how many people simply don't want to work.
and I don't "agree" with the make work program. It's just another government take money out of one pocket and put it in another pocket solution. But, like I said, I'm pragmatic, and it would solve in my opinion a much more destructive problem which is the economically depressed unemployed. Bad for the individual, bad for the country. Paid for? We're already paying for it, one way or the other.
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