Quote from dbphoenix:
Seems to me that the detractors are saying a great deal more about themselves than they are about papertrading. The question is not whether they experience the same emotional turmoil while papertrading than they do "for real", but why they continue to experience this turmoil at all. They should have gone past all that long ago, which leads me to suspect that they are not the traders they claim to be.
Quote from Specul8r:
DB,
Your above post serves only to accentuate the point I was trying to make by saying paper trading is an excercise in futility.
This is a game of losing, not winning. Any monkey can learn how to make money in this game, its really not that difficult at all. Its learning how to lose that is the difficult part. The proper mindstate has nothing to do with eliminating all emotions, its acting inspite of them. Its doing the right thing, at the right time, when every emotion in your system is trying to compel you to do the opposite.
IMO, the three steps to becoming a successful speculator goes something like this;
Learn how to lose. Learn how to hold on tightly. Learn how to let go lightly. At the core of all three is how you accept and then come to embrace RISK. You learn how to master those three arduous tasks and the winning side of the equation will take care of itself.
No beginning trader has any business playing with a simulator. If he is so undercaptalized that he can't afford to test his ideas with sample sizes, then he has no business being in the game in the first place.
And any seasoned vet who has mastered those three taks I laid out earlier will have more than sufficient funds to test his ideas out with a few hundred bucks a trial.
Fooling yourself into thinking that you can emulate the same success you had on a simulator, without first learning how to embrace risk, is comparable to Warren Saap practicing his swim move using Madden 2004 as a medium.
You can not learn how to swim if you don't first jump in the water.
Carry on...
Quote from dbphoenix:
It's too bad that nonsense like this gets posted. What's even worse is that there may be beginners who believe it.
Yes, one must learn how to lose if he is going to enjoy long-term success. But just as many traders don't know how to win, which is why they all trade like Sisyphus.
Any beginning trader who doesn't find out whether or not his strategy is a profitable one before throwing money at the market and just hoping that it all works out deserves exactly what he gets.
I hope someone who doesn't know how to swim doesn't have you as an instructor.
Quote from Specul8r:
I guess the only way for us to be content with being 'right' is to privately assess our own P&L at the end of each quarter.
Quote from dbphoenix:
Your P&L, or mine, is irrelevant. What matters is the P&L of the individual who takes your advice vs the individual who takes mine.
It's pretty difficult to blow out one's account by papertrading. And the odds of doing so are much less with a little practice.
Quote from Specul8r:
DB,
Your above post serves only to accentuate the point I was trying to make by saying paper trading is an excercise in futility.
This is a game of losing, not winning. Any monkey can learn how to make money in this game, its really not that difficult at all. Its learning how to lose that is the difficult part. The proper mindstate has nothing to do with eliminating all emotions, its acting inspite of them. Its doing the right thing, at the right time, when every emotion in your system is trying to compel you to do the opposite.
IMO, the three steps to becoming a successful speculator goes something like this;
Learn how to lose. Learn how to hold on tightly. Learn how to let go lightly. At the core of all three is how you accept and then come to embrace RISK. You learn how to master those three arduous tasks and the winning side of the equation will take care of itself.
No beginning trader has any business playing with a simulator. If he is so undercaptalized that he can't afford to test his ideas with sample sizes, then he has no business being in the game in the first place.
And any seasoned vet who has mastered those three taks I laid out earlier will have more than sufficient funds to test his ideas out with a few hundred bucks a trial.
Fooling yourself into thinking that you can emulate the same success you had on a simulator, without first learning how to embrace risk, is comparable to Warren Saap practicing his swim move using Madden 2004 as a medium.
You can not learn how to swim if you don't first jump in the water.
Carry on...