A Message to the People of the West

[Ivanovich]

Quote from mojahd2006:

Firstly:
I sincerely invite you to believe in Islam, abandon the trinity and worship of the cross, and follow the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him and all his family and companions. This will ensure your safety and guarantee security for you in your lands as the Muslims are all brothers in faith. You can achieve this by reading more books that talk about Islam and explain it, or by asking the Muslims who live nearby.

Then how do you explain the sunni and shiite civil war going on in Iraq, where they kill each other for believing in different aspects of Muhammad (PBUH) and his teachings? How do you explain why Iraqi's are getting fake ID cards with neutral names so that they are safe when traveling to different parts of the country?

If Muslims are all brothers in faith as you claim, why do they kill one another because of a difference in secretarian belief? Catholics and Protestants have differing beliefs in Christianity, yet they co-exist peacefully (and some deadbolt will likely bring up a war centuries old to try to refute this).

I've read books on Islam. I've read biographies on the Prophet. I've done my best to understand Islam and why there is in-fighting. You, who come to this board professing to be a member of Islam and an expert in it, cannot understand this basic concept?

Frankly, I'm surprised.

 

[inCom]

Quote from Ivanovich:

Then how do you explain the sunni and shiite civil war going on in Iraq, where they kill each other for believing in different aspects of Muhammad (PBUH) and his teachings? How do you explain why Iraqi's are getting fake ID cards with neutral names so that they are safe when traveling to different parts of the country?

If Muslims are all brothers in faith as you claim, why do they kill one another because of a difference in secretarian belief? Catholics and Protestants have differing beliefs in Christianity, yet they co-exist peacefully (and some deadbolt will likely bring up a war centuries old to try to refute this).

I've read books on Islam. I've read biographies on the Prophet. I've done my best to understand Islam and why there is in-fighting. You, who come to this board professing to be a member of Islam and an expert in it, cannot understand this basic concept?

Frankly, I'm surprised.

Well said.

GS

 

[steveosborne]

Quote from DrawDown:

Could you reduce that a little, to, say, one or two sentences...?

dd

LOL!

 

[TGregg]

Quote from mojahd2006:
. . .The African Falcon of the Jihad

What is the airspeed of an unladen African Falcon?



I always knew these turkeys were birdbrains.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=465485#post465485

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Ivanovich:


If Muslims are all brothers in faith as you claim, why do they kill one another because of a difference in secretarian belief? Catholics and Protestants have differing beliefs in Christianity, yet they co-exist peacefully.

i guess you forgot about ireland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Protestantism

 

[Ivanovich]

Quote from vhehn:

i guess you forgot about ireland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Protestantism

I'm curious...did you actually read that wikipedia link you posted? Let me quote some particularly pecante selections:

"In other cases, especially Northern Ireland or pre-Catholic Emancipation Ireland, the issue is more complex and has more to do with communal or nationalist sentiments than theological issues. Ireland was conquered by the Protestant state of England in the course of the 16th century. However the Elizabethan state failed to convert the Catholic native to Irish Protestantism and there was also a vigorous campaign of proselytisng by Counter Reformation Catholic clergy. The result was that Catholicism came to be identified with the native comunity and Protestantism with the state and British colonists who settled in the country during the Plantations of Ireland."

This distaste with Protestantism is often religious in nature, but in some areas, such as Northern Ireland, it is the unfortunate result of a history of oppression and strife.

In otherwords, while Northern Ireland is predominately associated with Catholicism, the conflict there is not a religious one - it is an occupational one.

The conflict in Iraq (between Sunni and Shiite) is not occupational. It is religious, as it has been for centuries and centuries. Therefore, the original poster's comment that Islam is a "brotherhood", is a false one, and your comment that Ireland an example of religious secular violence between Protestants and Catholics, is also a false one.

 

[stu]

Quote from Ivanovich:

I'm curious...did you actually read that wikipedia link you posted? Let me quote some particularly pecante selections:





In otherwords, while Northern Ireland is predominately associated with Catholicism, the conflict there is not a religious one - it is an occupational one.

The conflict in Iraq (between Sunni and Shiite) is not occupational. It is religious, as it has been for centuries and centuries. Therefore, the original poster's comment that Islam is a "brotherhood", is a false one, and your comment that Ireland an example of religious secular violence between Protestants and Catholics, is also a false one.

Northern Ireland is to do both with religion and British rule. Nevertheless surely the point is, why exactly would those Christian "brothers in faith" - Catholics and Protestants - murder kill and maim each other, by the thousands , over years and years, for any reason ?

Sunni and Shiite conflict is occupational as well as religious also. It is to do with which will run and occupy the the Islamic State in the Arabian Peninsula

 

[DrawDown]

Quote from version77:

We like to commit suicide a lot and kill innocent people because we
think we will be rewarded with 72 virgins after we are dead...

Talk about stupid...

did they ever stop to think that having 72 whining, bitchy virgins around ain't all it's cracked up to be?

dd

 

[DrawDown]

Quote from Ivanovich:

I've read books on Islam. I've read biographies on the Prophet. I've done my best to understand Islam and why there is in-fighting. Frankly, I'm surprised.

So, you ADMIT to flirting with the idea of becoming a terrorist!

Would you then be a "hobby terrorist?"

DD

 

[Ivanovich]

Quote from stu:

Northern Ireland is to do both with religion and British rule. Nevertheless surely the point is, why exactly would those Christian "brothers in faith" - Catholics and Protestants - murder kill and maim each other, by the thousands , over years and years, for any reason ?

Sunni and Shiite conflict is occupational as well as religious also. It is to do with which will run and occupy the the Islamic State in the Arabian Peninsula

No, sunni and shiite has been going on for far longer than Iraq's occupational issues. It is a distinct difference in the belief of who is responsible for guiding Islam. It has nothing to do with occupation.

Regarding Ireland, it is an occupational issue. If you're going to ask the question "why would Christian "brothers in faith" murder each other, then you'd need to examine the goals of both of them in their killing. That is, if you're going to draw a parallel between secular Islam and Northern Ireland.

The IRA is not interested in destroying the Protestant religion in order to have Catholicism rule Christianity and decide who will make the religious decisions for Christianity in the world to come.

Sunnis and Shiites fight for this exact reason. (Islam)