A Message to Racialists

Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

since you lack the fortitude to locate the scientific refs. listed on wikipedia, i'll be happy to procure them for you...

^ a b c Behar, Doron M.; Ene Metspalu, Toomas Kivisild, Alessandro Achilli, Yarin Hadid, Shay Tzur, Luisa Pereira, Antonio Amorim, Lluı's Quintana-Murci, Kari Majamaa, Corinna Herrnstadt, Neil Howell, Oleg Balanovsky, Ildus Kutuev, Andrey Pshenichnov, David Gurwitz, Batsheva Bonne-Tamir, Antonio Torroni, Richard Villems, and Karl Skorecki (March 2006). "The Matrilineal Ancestry of Ashkenazi Jewry: Portrait of a Recent Founder Event". The American Journal of Human Genetics 78 (3): 487-97. PMID 16404693.

# ^ Hammer, M. F.; A. J. Redd, E. T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, H. Jarjanazi, T. Karafet, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheim, M. A. Jobling, T. Jenkins, H. Ostrer, and B. Bonné-Tamir (May 9 2000). "Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

# Wade, Nicholas (May 14 2002). "In DNA, New Clues to Jewish Roots". The New York Times. Retrieved on 2006-05-24.
# ^ 404 error. CNN.com. Retrieved on 2006-05-24.
# ^ Wade, Nicholas (January 14 2006). "New Light on Origins of Ashkenazi in Europe". New York Times.
# ^ (2005) "chromosome evidence for a founder effect in Ashkenazi Jews". European Journal of Human Genetics.
# ^ Ben-Sasson, Hayim (1976). A History of the Jewish People. Harvard University Press.

You need to do better than Wikipedia, it is well known zionist territory, and cannot be taken seriously.

Jesus made this clear in Revelation 2:9, "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not but are a synagogue of Satan." And 3:9, "I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie; indeed I will make them to come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you".
 
Quote from seker2k:

If you did not mention "race" in your posts, and you are not talking about race, why is the title to the thread about "racialists" instead of "ethinicists", since it seems you are talking about ethnic groups as opposed to racial groups?

What other ethnic groups "set them selfs apart", and how so?

How does the DNA profile of the original Jewish tribes of Israel compare/contrast to that of Ashkenazic Jews? How does it compare to the Palestinian people? The Arab people? Are they of the same ethnic group? Please cite.

You are drifting. The thread is originally about racialists, i.e. "white pride worldwide", and other such nonsense. I am speaking to you on terms that you able to comprehend. In truth, there is no such thing as race. So, if it pleases you, we can speak in terms of ethnic groups.

The DNA explanation has already been provided for you in earlier posts, but the Zionists control everything ,so you seem to believe. Therefore any sources that do not agree with you is "Jewish propaganda". This makes you sound delusional. Racialists, as they self style themselves, seek to accentuate differences rather than commonalities. This has only one possible outcome.

SELF DESTRUCTION.

Best Regards
Oddi
 
(1) Steve Sconosciuto 10/20/2007 10:12:00 PM
Fallacious Argument
Even if 40%-50% of Ashkenazic and/or Sephardic males display haplogroups J1 or J2, that in itself does not argue for relative genetic purity of the Jewish people. The Y chromosome is one of 46 in the genome. Excepting the X chromosome in males, the remaining 44 are subject to recombination. Suppose--as is undoubtedly the case in many communities, such as among the Jews of Africa and China--that Jewish merchants arrived in a locale and set up a trading post, as almost certainly happened with the Jews of Elephantine in southern Egypt. The males (who were certainly the majority of any trading expedition) then took local (i.e., non-Jewish) women as wives. Their sons would bear the Jewish paternal Y chromosome, but the remaining chromosomes would be 50% foreign. Their daughters would be 50% foreign since no Y chromosome was involved. Now these children have children. The sons of the sons still bear the paternal Jewish Y chromosome, but not the daughters of the sons and not the daughters of the daughters. In fact, ALL of the children and grandchildren would have maternal mitochondrial DNA as well as the admixed other maternal genes. Now, take the sons of the sons again. In the extreme case, each generation of sons could marry with non-Jewish women who converted to Judaism. Their sons would still bear the paternal Jewish Y chromosome, but it is obvious that their genetic make-up would be almost entirely non-Jewish. The African and Chinese Jews are phenotypic proof of this phenomenon, and in many instances, this is also true of the Ashkenazim, many of whom bear obvious Germanic and Slavic features. Thus, the common Middle Eastern origin of Diaspora populations is largely a matter of the Y chromosome alone, not of the entire Jewish genome.

http://www.aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/Jewish_Genes.asp
 
http://www.aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/Jewish_Genes.asp

I recently read Rabbi Yaakov Kleiman's book "geneology and genetics"
I found it to be very intresting and decided to obtain the y-chromosome, and mtDNA tests.
The results of the y-DNA determined that many other jews like myself were of haplogroup Q.
I was also able to trace my fathers family back over three-hundred years to a town in Poland. So as far as i know my family has been jewish for a very long time.
As you know the Q haplogroup is not included in the ancient israelite DNA
Therefore the evidence of ashkenazi and sephardic jews being related is inconclusive. As much as i would love to be related to the ancient israelites, it is not a plausible determination that "most" jews are related to the ancient israelities.
 
(7) Anonymous 4/13/2005

It really makes me feel tired to realize that any people, anywhere, are trying to set themselves above, or separate from other people, by virtue of a bloodline. I have to agree with the comment one person made that this is what happened in Nazi Germany. Get over it. We're all just people. If you want to get technical about it, DNA studies also say that ALL people on this planet came from just two people. I repeat, just get over it. Concentrate on doing the right thing, instead of trying to make some sort of artificial separation between jews and everyone else. We're all the same before God. That's because God made all of us.

http://www.aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/Jewish_Genes.asp
 
Quote from oddiduro:

You are drifting. The thread is originally about racialists, i.e. "white pride worldwide", and other such nonsense. I am speaking to you on terms that you able to comprehend. In truth, there is no such thing as race. So, if it pleases you, we can speak in terms of ethnic groups.

The DNA explanation has already been provided for you in earlier posts, but the Zionists control everything ,so you seem to believe. Therefore any sources that do not agree with you is "Jewish propaganda". This makes you sound delusional. Racialists, as they self style themselves, seek to accentuate differences rather than commonalities. This has only one possible outcome.

SELF DESTRUCTION.

Best Regards
Oddi

Why are you avoiding my questions, I was just interested.

You seemed to know the genetics of the region, but then again, maybe not.
 
Quote from seker2k:

Why are you avoiding my questions, I was just interested.

You seemed to know the genetics of the region, but then again, maybe not.

I know pathology. I know that the DNA profile is enough to make Ashkanazic Jews a risk for Tay Sachs. I know that because I am not a member of this group, the risk for developing this particular malady is very small.

It has been medically proven that this ethnic group has a distinct DNA profile. So you are debating science, not me.

Best Regards
Oddi
 
Quote from Vergilius:

Why Jews are Persecuted

By Jayne Gardener
Tuesday 19 February 2008


I always used to wonder what it was about Jews that made people throughout history despise them. If they were indeed "God's chosen" I thought, they had to be the unluckiest people in the history of the world.

Why were they persecuted throughout history?

Why had the Nazis herded them into cattle cars and taken them to "extermination camps" to dispose once and for all of the "Jewish problem?"

I suddenly recognized that if Hitler had developed a "Final Solution" to the Jewish question, that there had to have been a "Jewish Problem." Could the Jews have in any way behaved in such a manner that would make the countries in which they resided turn against them, or were they just unfortunate, innocent victims?

I set out to find answers for my questions, mainly turning to the Internet, but also reading various books on the subject. What I found became increasingly disturbing to me.

I had not known that throughout history, the Jews had been expelled from 79 countries, some countries more than once.

I had not known that many of the claims they made about the Holocaust that I had believed unquestioningly for so long were in fact fraudulent.

The books I had read and the movies I had seen about the "Holocaust" and wept over were nothing but thinly veiled attempts to garner unwavering sympathy for the state of Israel and an excuse to extort billions of dollars from Germany and 1.25 billion dollars from the Swiss banks.

I discovered that a book I had read many times as a teenager and cried about, Anne Frank's Diary, had been at least partially written by someone other than Anne Frank.

I learned that the confessions at the Nuremburg Trials and the executions of so many German "war criminals" were were extracted under torture and the defendants were being tried, judged and condemned by their very accusers.

I learned about the "false flag" operations, especially the Lavon affair and the tragedy of the USS Liberty, an American ship that was attacked by the Israelis during the 1967 war. 34 young American men were killed and many more wounded.

To add insult to injury, the Israelis claimed that it was simply an unfortunate case of mistaken identity, something the survivors of the Liberty have always vehemently denied. They, however, were threatened with court martial if they were ever to tell their stories.

I learned about the Jonathan Pollard spy case and other incidents of Israeli Jews spying against their supposed "closest ally."

I became shocked and horrified as I learned about the treatment of the Palestinian people in the occupied territories at the hands of the Israeli Defense Forces and the Jewish settlers. Israel purports to be the only democracy in the middle east, but it's only a democracy for Jews. Non-Jews are not considered equal.

I was saddened to see pictures of innocent Palestinian children burned beyond recognition or suffering from serious gunshot wounds after being targeted by the IDF for no other reason than that they are Palestinian.

I found out about the Jewish history of avariciousness, larceny, lying, manipulation and their questionable and usurious business practices.

I learned about their roles in the radical homosexual movement, the radical feminist movement, the pornography industry as well as their over-representation in the abortion industry.

I discovered their role in organized crime, in the slave trade, in the civil rights movement and in Communism, an ideology that is responsible for the deaths of untold millions and the repression of many millions more.

I learned that it was Jewish supremacists behind the war against Christianity and Christmas. It is they who want God out of the Pledge of Allegiance and all symbols of Christianity removed from public life.

They have driven Christianity from the public schools despite Christianity being the majority religion.

They have taken Christmas out of the public school calendar despite the fact that it is a statutory holiday and it is named Christmas.

I read about the anti-Gentilism and hatefulness of the Babylonian Talmud and their utter disrespect for, and hostility towards Jesus Christ, the Virgin Mary and Christianity and Christians in general.

I learned about their "chutzpah" in claiming that Gentile lives were worth no more than the lives of barnyard animals but that they considered Jewish lives to be akin to God Himself. It's okay to steal from a Gentile or to kill a Gentile, but Jewish lives are sacred.

I learned of their control of the majority of wealth, the media and academia despite them making up less than 2% of the population (even lower in Canada).

They are behind the ridiculous political correctness movement and hate crime legislation that was drafted so as to silence anyone who might figure out their agenda and attempt to shed light on it.

Men like German Rudolf, David Irving and many more, previously recognized as great historians, were arrested, charged with hate crimes and incarcerated simply for having made academic inquiry into a specific period of history.

Other so called "revisionists" or "holocaust deniers" have been intimidated, harassed, assaulted and smeared simply for trying to get at the truth.

I found out that the Jews are responsible for our wide open immigration policies that have created the nightmare we call "multiculturalism," "diversity," inclusiveness" and "pluralism."

It is mostly they who push for race mixing and miscegenation, knowing full well that it would eventually lead to those of white European descent being minorities in their own countries and the eventual extermination of white European DNA.

It is patently clear that the war in Iraq is due solely to Israel wanting to hobble her enemies by destabilizing their governments in order to achieve hegemony in the middle east.

It would be unthinkable for Israeli Jews to die for this cause, so they manipulated the US into the war with the help of the Jewish Zionist "Israel firsters" in the Bush administration in order that the blood of way too many young American men and women is shed instead.

It is they who control the middle eastern foreign policy of the most powerful country in the world, the USA. It is they who control congress, the senate and the puppet president, George W. Bush.

They have such control in movies and television that we are now subjected to endless programs and Hollywood movies that mock Christianity, Christian values and degrade the traditional family.

After sober reflection on what I had discovered about Jewish supremacy and Zionism, I had to abandon all my previously held notions as to the history of Jewish persecution.

What I have trouble understanding is why they continue this behavior in whichever society they live, knowing that eventually they will overplay their hand and their perfidy will be exposed yet again. Has history taught them nothing?

As more and more people become aware of what is going on and who is responsible for it, anger is going to rise as it already has in the former Soviet Union and eastern European countries.

They may control television, movies and the print media, but they don't control the internet. At least not yet. Blogs and websites devoted to "outing" the Jewish supremacists will ultimately be their downfall.

If everyone who sees this information passes it on to at least one other person, the crimes and misdeeds of the Jewish supremacists and Zionists will be exposed and they will have nowhere to run or hide (except Israel).

Pathetic conspiracy theory. Pretty much what I'd expect from a David Duke supporter.
 
Oddi said:

"Racialists, as they self style themselves, seek to accentuate differences rather than commonalities. This has only one possible outcome.

SELF DESTRUCTION."

Best Regards
Oddi

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Secular history and the bible are in agreement that putting those at odds with one another together is what results in destruction. One can simply look on any newscast and see the destruction that results from forced unity.


What the secular left doesn't seem to understand is differences aren't about race, they are about ideology. People of any race that think alike can get along reasonably well. Throwing together people of different races that think differently just for this fake sense of diversity never works. The world is full of dead bodies to show it.
 
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