A Liberal Tells US What He Really Thinks About Healthcare

This whole death denial thing where a ton of money is spent on old people to keep them going a little longer... is bullshit.. I'm old, if it's my time to go, give me dope for pain and pull the frigging plug.. spend the money on somebody that can get a lot of years out of it.. they should just do a multiplication of the cost times the years of life remaining in ranking cases maybe..

I have neighbors here that had a dying comatose relative on a life support machine for weeks at the public's expense.. they still argue about how it was about how they felt about the person, never was it a medical decision, the doctors and nurses were telling them that it was entirely over for the person.. If that money was coming out of their own pockets I'd say "keep her on the machines until she's mummified if you want"... Healthcare has to be rationed somewhat when it's public option...
 
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This whole death denial thing where a ton of money is spent on old people to keep them going a little longer... is bullshit.. I'm old, if it's my time to go, give me dope for pain and pull the frigging plug.. spend the money on somebody that can get a lot of years out of it.. they should just do a multiplication of the cost times the years of life remaining in ranking cases maybe..

I have neighbors here that had a dying comatose relative on a life support machine for weeks at the public's expense.. they still argue about how it was about how they felt about the person, never was it a medical decision, the doctors and nurses were telling them that it was entirely over for the person.. If that money was coming out of their own pockets I'd say "keep her on the machines until she's mummified if you want"... Healthcare has to be rationed somewhat when it's public option...
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Scare tactics, all lies....... problem is it makes too much sense. To control costs it will have too be.
 
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"Monday, October 12, 2009
The Audacity of Greed: How Private Health Insurers Just Blew Their Cover

The health-insurance industry has finally revealed itself for what it is.

Background: The industry hates the idea that's emerged from the Senate Finance Committee of lowering penalties on younger and healthier people who don't buy insurance. Relying on an analysis by PricewaterhouseCoopers, insurers say this means new enrollees will be older and less healthy -- which will drive up costs. And, says the industry, these costs will be passed on to consumers in the form of higher premiums. Proposed taxes on high-priced "Cadillac" policies will also be passed on to consumers. As a result, premiums will rise faster and higher than the government projects.

It's an eleventh-hour bombshell.

But the bomb went off under the insurers. The only reason these costs can be passed on to consumers in the form of higher premiums is because there's not enough competition among private insurers to force them to absorb the costs by becoming more efficient. Get it? Health insurers have just made the best argument yet about why a public insurance option is necessary.

Right now they run their markets and set their prices, and pass on any increased costs directly to consumers. That's what they're threatening to do if the legislation attempts to squeeze, even slightly, the colossal profits they plan to make off of thirty million new paying customers.

They want every penny of those profits. They demand every cent. And if the government dares raise their costs a tad higher than they expected when they first signed on to support the bill, they'll pass those costs on to consumers in the form of higher premiums. They can carry out their threat only because they have unaccountable, untrammeled market power.

But they've now hoisted themselves on their own insured petard. They've exposed themselves. If they had to compete with a public insurance plan, they couldn't get away with this threat. They couldn't pass on the extra costs. They'd have to compete with a public insurance option that forced them to give consumers the best deals possible.

Now's the time for Congress and the White House to say to the insurance industry: You want to play hardball? Okay. We'll play it, too. You didn't want a public insurance option. That was one of your conditions for supporting the bill. You wanted gigantic profits from having thirty million new paying customers and the market to yourself. The Senate Finance Committee and the White House agreed because they wanted your support and were afraid of the negative ads and hurricane of opposition you could finance. But you're even greedier than we imagined. And now you've demonstrated that greed to the American people. They don't want to turn over even more of their hard-earned money to you. So, insurance companies, we've got news for you. We're going to make sure Americans have the freedom to choose a public insurance option that's cheaper and better, and you're going to have to work hard to keep them your customers."
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How typical that an advisor to Obama would come out with such slop. This blog or whatever you want to call it is flat out Marxism. If this guy is so upset about the profits of health insurers why doesn't he take the time to look at their profit margins.

The public option is not designed to increase competition, it is designed to crush it. If a public option is passed, in 10 to 20 years it will end up being the only option. Once that is the case, the government gets to decide who gets care, and who doesn't. Reich honestly pointed this out.
 
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Once that is the case, the government gets to decide who gets care, and who doesn't. Reich honestly pointed this out.
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Death panels!

Wait...I thought that was just a big farse!?
 
Yes...any modern health care plan, especially those run by modern health care insurer force the young to pay and kill off seniors.

Grow up already. What are you 10 years old?

With regard to innovation neither the government nor health care providers ever had jack shit to do with that. Stem cell research and hospital teaching institutions are the epicenter of innovation. The average multiple organ failure senior has access to neither one of those.

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So you admit that the democrat healthcare plan forces the young to pay for it, kills off seniors, and hampers innovation?
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Yes...any modern health care plan, especially those run by modern health care insurer force the young to pay and kill off seniors.

Grow up already. What are you 10 years old?
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Really, can you cite any modern health care insurer who has ever forced anyone to pay anything? This is the most idiotic claim I have ever heard.

Please cite all the examples where modern insurers decided to "let someone die".
 
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This whole death denial thing where a ton of money is spent on old people to keep them going a little longer... is bullshit.. I'm old, if it's my time to go, give me dope for pain and pull the frigging plug.. spend the money on somebody that can get a lot of years out of it.. they should just do a multiplication of the cost times the years of life remaining in ranking cases maybe..

I have neighbors here that had a dying comatose relative on a life support machine for weeks at the public's expense.. they still argue about how it was about how they felt about the person, never was it a medical decision, the doctors and nurses were telling them that it was entirely over for the person.. If that money was coming out of their own pockets I'd say "keep her on the machines until she's mummified if you want"... Healthcare has to be rationed somewhat when it's public option...
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You're a man of your word. I commend you for that. "If I can't pay for it, I haven't earned it."

Now that is a dying sentiment. Literally.

The Lefitsts-Idiots have come along way since 2004, when they implied a vote for Kerry meant the paralyized will walk again! ....

Actually they've come nowhere.

Thankfully, the majority in this country see thru the utter bullshit of these leftist-elitist-con-artists, and they should be sent packing in 2010.

Unfortunately, the potential for long-term damage is extradoridinary great, considering few policitians, left or right, have the morality to deny themselves power after its been established.

Pave my roads, protect our borders, then go the fuck away.
 
"Pave my roads, protect our borders, then go the fuck away."

They are not your roads, they are our roads...

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You're a man of your word. I commend you for that. "If I can't pay for it, I haven't earned it."

Now that is a dying sentiment. Literally.

The Lefitsts-Idiots have come along way since 2004, when they implied a vote for Kerry meant the paralyized will walk again! ....

Actually they've come nowhere.

Thankfully, the majority in this country see thru the utter bullshit of these leftist-elitist-con-artists, and they should be sent packing in 2010.

Unfortunately, the potential for long-term damage is extradoridinary great, considering few policitians, left or right, have the morality to deny themselves power after its been established.

Pave my roads, protect our borders, then go the fuck away.
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