A Lack Of Rigor Leaves Students 'Adrift' In College : NPR

Well being in college currently myself i think the main issue is not motivation but the fact they make you take roughly 100/120 credit hours of classes you just dont care about.
 
Quote from hippie:

http://www.npr.org/2011/02/09/13331...r-leaves-students-adrift&sc=nl&cc=nh-20110209

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There's a huge incentive set up in the system [for] asking students very little, grading them easily, entertaining them, and your course evaluations will be high.

- Richard Arum
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With some personal experience in this matter, I would say that this remark is quite correct. Not only that, if those pushing to do away with tenure in higher education succeed, this problem noted by Arum will get worse.
 
Quote from CollegeTrader:

Well being in college currently myself i think the main issue is not motivation but the fact they make you take roughly 100/120 credit hours of classes you just dont care about.

Indeed, you're paying for your education (or at least someone is) so why should you have to take any courses you don't care about. Just take what you like. And tell your professors what you want to learn and what you don't. Let them know when a subject is worthless and tell them to stop teaching it, because it annoys you. Why should you have to put up with this bullshit education business?

I'm sure the result will be, shall we say, "eye opening."
 
Quote from piezoe:

Indeed, you're paying for your education (or at least someone is) so why should you have to take any courses you don't care about. Just take what you like. And tell your professors what you want to learn and what you don't. Let them know when a subject is worthless and tell them to stop teaching it, because it annoys you. Why should you have to put up with this bullshit education business?

I'm sure the result will be, shall we say, "eye opening."

Great response to that moronic post. No wonder we are in a downward spiral with assclowns making those kind of claims.
 
Quote from CollegeTrader:

Well being in college currently myself i think the main issue is not motivation but the fact they make you take roughly 100/120 credit hours of classes you just dont care about.

Where are you going to college? I don't remember having to do that in college in America. I had to do whatever classes I was told to take in secondary school. I went to HS in some funk place in Asia.
 
I thought about this further and I am sure many schools must offer hard tracks and easier tracks.

Back in the 80s at least some of the ivys had gentlemen's tracks.

my school had plenty of easy courses, but if you wished you could get a very rigorous education.

Only a few schools were really very hard in every class.

they were the ones trying to move up the rankings.
 
Quote from EMRGLOBAL:

In many colleges, the largest classes are in "remedial... English and math"...
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What colleges are those?

I attended both Loyola and University of Chicago......the only ones in remedial English were foreign students for the most part, brushing up on their English skills?

UT, A&M, UCLA, - other top institutions where friends went, Remedial Math and English are not a large part of the student body.

I have to believe that those stats are from Junior Colleges and places like KELLER SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT, as well as typical low level State Universities.

I'm not saying that Universities teach proper subjects as most brain wash. But I find it hard to believe that many have the largest classes size in Remedial Studies.

1. I don't have a list of "those" colleges... just recalling what some muckety-muck of some college association was lamenting about the poor academic quality of freshmen.

2. Unlikely that top schools would have that problem, as they wouldn't admit those with such low skills.

3. "Biggest classes" could be large freshmen classes... likely not a large percentage of the student body.
 
Quote from jem:

I thought about this further and I am sure many schools must offer hard tracks and easier tracks.

Back in the 80s at least some of the ivys had gentlemen's tracks.

my school had plenty of easy courses, but if you wished you could get a very rigorous education.

Only a few schools were really very hard in every class.

they were the ones trying to move up the rankings.

Seems a waste to pay for college, especially if you incur a large debt, and take mostly easy courses. I remember a freshman orientation where the faculty member said, "Don't just take all the easy classes. Challenge yourself. You are here to exercise your brain." (Of course with today's Libtard leanings, "exercise your brain" is probably more accurately "exorcise your brain"..)
 
by the way, i re read what I wrote. to be clear I did not mean to imply I went to an ivy.


I got in to one, but my father told me to take a full scholarship to an average school.

probably not the best decision for me, but it saved him a lot of money.
 
Quote from kayakfly:

RU joking? maybe if you like working 16 hour days, putting your hand in disgusting places, smelling blood and guts all day and paying 200k for malpractice insurance.

MD is potentially the stupidist degree any smart person can pursue. the upside is extraordinarily small for the work demanded.

So true, and in the USA, u have to get a college degree first before going to med school.
 
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