A happy ending to one of our tragedies

This is the guy who committed the massacre. I hope that will shut your lying mouth once and for all. God man...I have never seen a bigger liar.

Hobeika also indicated that Israel had flown members of the South Lebanon Army (SLA) into Beirut International Airport in an Israeli Air Force C130 transport plane in full view of dozens of witnesses, including members of the Lebanese army and others. SLA troops under the command of Major Saad Haddad were slipped into the camps to commit the massacres. The SLA troops were under the direct command of Ariel Sharon and an Israeli Mossad agent provocateur named Rafi Eitan. Hobeika offered evidence that a former U.S.
ambassador to Lebanon was aware of the Israeli plot. In addition, the IDF had placed a camera in a strategic position to film the Sabra and Shatilla massacres. Hobeika was going to ask that the footage be released as part of the investigation of Sharon.

After announcing he was willing to testify against Sharon, Hobeika became fearful for his safety and began moves to leave Lebanon. Hobeika was not aware that his threats to testify against Sharon had triggered a series of fateful events that reached well into the White House and Sharon's office.

On January 24, 2002, Hobeika's car was blown up by a remote controlled bomb placed in a parked Mercedes along a street in the Hazmieh section of Beirut.

http://www.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.security.firewalls/2005-06/0166.html
 
The Sabra and Shatila massacre was a massacre carried out in September 1982 by a Lebanese Forces militia group against Palestinian refugee camps in Beirut.

Lebanese Christian Phalangist militiamen were permitted to enter two Palestinian refugee camps, in an area under Israeli army control, and the militia massacred an estimated several hundred to several thousand civilians.

The Lebanese Forces group stood under the direct command of Elie Hobeika, who later became a long-serving Lebanese Member of Parliament and, in the 1990s, a cabinet minister. The number of victims of the massacre varies according to source: the lowest confirmed estimate is 700; the highest is placed at 3,500 (see below).

While 300,000 Israelis demonstrated in Israel to protest the killings of these Arab Palestinian civilians by Lebanese militia while Israel had control of the area, little or no vocal condemnation occurred in the greater Arab world. Outside the Middle East, a major international outcry against Israel erupted. The Phalangists, who perpetrated the crime, were spared the brunt of the condemnations for it.

By contrast, Muslim militiamen attacked both the Shatila and the Burj-el Barajneh Palestinian refugee camps, in May 1985, but few voices were raised in condemnation. According to UN officials, 635 were killed and 2,500 wounded in that massacre.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre


There is much controversy about the murder of Elie Hobeika. Many Lebanese point the finger at Israel, while some point the finger at the Palestinians, Syria, and even the Lebanese Forces who had attempted to assassinate Hobeika in 1991. Hobeika's death proves difficult to solve, and amid speculation of who killed him, there have been no arrests to this day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elie_Hobeika#Assassination
 
I Agree! I would believe your fraudulent Wikipidia's article, which most likely was edited by you to reflect your lie over a doctor's testimony who lived throughout the massacre.

This is what the woman said;

At 4:30pm news arrived at the Gaza Hospital that Israeli troops had invaded Akka Hospital [just outside the camp], nurses had been raped and killed, doctors and patients shot dead.

Extract from p55 & p79 of the book "From Beirut To Jerusalem"


The Massacre

The phalange militia were Israel's proxy in Lebanon, their members were recruited from the Maronite Christian community. They were payed for, trained and armed by Israel. They were effectively an extension of the IDF, and were usually sent in to do the dirty work.

After Sharon's army had taken West Beirut and sealed off all escapes routes from the Palestinian refugee camps, Sharon ordered the phalange in. The official order from Sharon read "for the operation in the camps the phalange should be sent in"*. Knowing that the camps were full of unarmed civilians - mainly women and children, only around 150 phalange were deployed. The testimonies of the survivors suggest that both Israeli soldiers and their mercenaries the Phalange entered the camps and participated in the massacre**

The Israelis supervised the operation from their forward command post, a six story building overlooking the camps. From there they gave logistic support and relayed orders to the soldiers on the ground. Concerned that reports of the on-going slaughter would leak out, the soldiers were ordered to continue the killing through out the night - to facilitate this the Israelis lit up the sky with flares all night long. The idea was to kill as many Palestinians as quickly as possible, before international pressure would put a stop to the operation. Over 3000 elderly men, women and children were murdered. Next the evidence had to be buried quickly - so the Israelis send in bulldozers. Houses were packed with bodies and demolished to form mass graves. One such mass grave contained a thousand bodies.

http://www.inminds.co.uk/from-beirut-to-jerusalem.html
 
This is another testimony from a Dutch doctor who was there;

The Israeli journalists Zeev Schiff and Ehud Ya’ari describe how Sharon insisted on sending Phalangist militiamen into the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila (see "Israel’s Lebanon War"). To accomplish this, Sharon had held meetings on September 15th with Elie Hobeika, Fadie Frem and Zahi Bustani (leaders of the militiamen) as well as with Amin and Pierre Gemayel, the political leaders of the Phalangist party. The leaders of the Israeli army, Sharon included, were very well aware of the mood of the Phalangists, shortly after the murder of their leader. Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of the feelings of the Phalangists towards the Palestinians knew what would happen if they were let into the refugee camps.

Israeli army commanders Eitan, Drori and Yaron made comments on how obsessed the Phalangists were with revenge, talking about a ‘sea of blood’ and ‘kasach’ (Arabic for ‘slashing’ or ‘cutting’). As they made these observations Ariel Sharon gave the green light for the Phalangists to enter Sabra and Shatila. They did so as dusk fell on the 16th of September.

While the massacre was being committed, I was working in the Gaza hospital in Sabra. The situation was chaotic and confusing. Many wounded were carried into the hospital and our morgue was full within a short time. Most of the victims suffered bullet wounds, but a few were injured by shrapnel. On September 17th it became clear that the ‘Kataeb’ (Phalangists) and/or the militiamen of Saad Haddad (funded and armed by Israel) were slaughtering the civilian population. A 10-year old boy was carried into the hospital. He had been shot, but was alive. He had spent the whole night wounded, lying under the dead bodies of his parents, brothers and sisters. At night the murderers were assisted by Israeli flares.

Just before we reached the exit of the camp I saw an image that will forever be in my mind: a large mound of red earth with arms and legs sticking out. Alongside the mound stood an army bulldozer with Hebrew markings. Just outside the camp we were ordered to take off our hospital clothing and we were lined up against a wall. It was at that moment that an Israeli army officer drove up in an army vehicle. He saved our lives, ordering the militiamen to hand us over to the Israelis. Alongside the southern and western borders of the camps we saw Israeli tanks and halftracks.

After interrogation in their military headquarters the Phalangists took us to the Israeli forward command post just 75 meters (250 feet) away. It was a 4 or 5 story building at the edge of Shatila. (Some weeks later I was on the top floor. It offered excellent views of the destruction in Shatila). The Israeli soldiers were clearly uncomfortable, being confronted with more than 20 Europeans and Americans. They asked us what we wanted. We told them we wanted to go back to Gaza hospital. Impossible, we were told, too dangerous. Finally, two of us were permitted to go back to the hospital with a laisser-passer in Hebrew and Arabic.

There certainly was coordination between the Israelis and the militiamen. The Israelis were largely in control. It was impossible for them to see exactly what was happening in the narrow alleyways of Sabra and Shatila. But soon after the massacre started, reports came in from individual Israeli soldiers about killings. Not once did the Israeli military command try to respond by putting an end to the slaughter. Groups of civilians, coming out of the camps with white flags, were being sent back.

http://www.mediamonitors.net/drbenalofs1.html
 
Even on Saturday morning, September 18th, when we were taken out of the camps, we saw fresh groups of Phalangist militiamen entering the camps under Israeli supervision. About 20 minutes after we had passed the large group of women, children and elderly in the main road of Sabra, we heard an orgy of machinegun fire. Swee, an orthopedic doctor, told me that a Palestinian mother had tried to give her baby to Swee, as if she knew what was going to happen. The baby was pulled out of Swee’s hand and given back to her mother. On Sunday September 19th I went back to Sabra and Shatila together with two Danish and a Dutch journalist. The Lebanese army had surrounded the camp and tried to keep journalists out. We found a way in. All of us were deeply shocked by the extent of the destruction and the savagery of the murders. The Israelis had told the militiamen to leave the camps some time during Saturday. The latter had managed to cause an awful lot more of destruction and slaughter after we had been taken out of the camps on Saturday morning. The Lebanese Civil Defense had begun with the recovery of those bodies that had not been buried by the bulldozers. We will never know how many people were exactly butchered during those terrible days of September 16th, 17th and 18th in 1982. 1500 perhaps? 2000? Or even more?

http://www.mediamonitors.net/drbenalofs1.html
 
The Sabra and Shatila massacre was a massacre carried out in September 1982 by a Lebanese Forces militia group against Palestinian refugee camps in Beirut...The Lebanese Forces group stood under the direct command of Elie Hobeika, who later became a long-serving Lebanese Member of Parliament and, in the 1990s, a cabinet minister.
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Muslim militiamen attacked both the Shatila and the Burj-el Barajneh Palestinian refugee camps, in May 1985, but few voices were raised in condemnation. According to UN officials, 635 were killed and 2,500 wounded in that massacre.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
 
People will see your cheesey attempt to save your butcher. While I provided evidence that incriminate that children killer, all you had is a link for a wikipidia article, that most likley was distorted by you in an attempt to save your own Aikman.
 
This post is just a microcosm of the arab isreali conflict.

I can sum up the last 60 years of fighting in case you missed any of it.

No you did it! No you did! No you did it! No you did!

Liar! No you're a liar! No you are! You are the liar you liar!

No everyone should be up to speed.
 
Quote from John_Wensink:

This post is just a microcosm of the arab isreali conflict.

I can sum up the last 60 years of fighting in case you missed any of it.

No you did it! No you did! No you did it! No you did!

Liar! No you're a liar! No you are! You are the liar you liar!

No everyone should be up to speed.
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What a way of diluting a crime on such scale! While I showed evidence of this killer's crime, dddooo showed 1 wikipidia link that was, most likely, written by him.

And what is the end result? dddooo succeeded in diluting this thread by repeat posts of that fraudulent link he posted to the point that you now think it is a tit for tat.

There was a time John where such crimes were carried against Jews. The only difference, Nazis did not have a zionist lobby who will even justify the rap of and then the killing of these children.
 
I didn't mean to take away from the crimes, I was just pointing out no matter what the crime or tradgedy or who perpetrated such tradgedy it ends in a bickering contest between the arabs and isrealis.

This is why there has been no peace and will probably never be peace.

Nobody looks forward only backwards.


Quote from WAEL012000:

What a way of diluting a crime on such scale! While I showed evidence of this killer's crime, dddooo showed 1 wikipidia link that was, most likely, written by him.

And what is the end result? dddooo succeeded in diluting this thread by repeat posts of that fraudulent link he posted to the point that you now think it is a tit for tat.

There was a time John where such crimes were carried against Jews. The only difference, Nazis did not have a zionist lobby who will even justify the rap of and then the killing of these children.
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