A Guerilla War in Iraq

[TM_Direct]

Quote from maxpi:

Some statistics regarding the soldiers and safety in Iraq: A male between the age of 18 and 35 in Washington DC has a higher chance of being killed by a gunshot than an American of the same age does in Iraq!!!

Doesn;t comfort the families of the victims though....that's a pretty dumb stat

 

[tampa]

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Did you change your bladder bag this morning??? so by your token, only Army people can have an opinion? Hey , Im cool with that because they deal with these scum all the time and protect mine and your rights as you sit there in your comfy home lambasting the country they are fighting for .......but lets not digress to far: again. Yes or No : Do you believe the story that MSFE posted? Do you believe that the soldier is 36 ( seems a little old for a private) and allowed to write from Iraq an anti war statement????

I think you are smart enough to know that the story is false and total propaganda.....and if you were a true american, you would lambasted him as well for printing complete and utter lies at the expense of our boys shedding their blood.

Really now, TM, I am "lambasting America"? No TM, I am mocking you. Can't quite figure out how that makes me less than a "true American"?

I am mocking a fellow loud mouth, arrogant American who thinks that "we" (read that: someone else) should go around cleaning up the middle East. Big words, from a big man, huh? Yep, they sure are.

But I guess that I "digress" yet again. So let me address your point and question concerning what you call "propaganda": Beats me, TM. I have no way of knowing for sure, but who do you suppose would be behind this alleged "propaganda"?

TM, my good fellow American, we are in so much trouble in Iraq, that the "other side" need do nothing but sit back and smirk. We are bleeding money we don't have out the ass. We are stretched to the breaking point militarily. And there is no end in sight for this disaster. But you are all bent out of shape as to the truthfulness of the "soldier".

How come you ain't bent out of shape over the truthfulness of George W. Bush - and his propaganda?

 

[Madison]

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TM, my good fellow American, we are in so much trouble in Iraq, that the "other side" need do nothing but sit back and smirk. We are bleeding money we don't have out the ass. We are stretched to the breaking point militarily. And there is no end in sight for this disaster.

which leads to the question of what happens if, in a year, the situation is not significantly better? the soldiers there now can't stay there indefinitely, and some are already there over a year. there aren't enough existing soldiers to swap in.

 

[candletrader]

Quote from mohammedakram:

good

Allah is punish the devil satan amereekan imperylysts who steal our oil

Allah hu akbar!

Jihad!

at least amereeka got nice blonde womans

thank
Mo

Shut up dude... for every American hero soldier that is being murdered, I would guess at least 20 Iraqi terrorists are being exterminated during surprise attacks on them...

 

[rlb21079]

How soon before we start our war in Iran? Shall we start a pool?

 

[Siwash]

"We’ve had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th."
U.S. President George W. Bush took the unusual step this week of denying categorically two year of hints, allegations and suggestions from his administration.

 

[TM_Direct]

Quote from tampa:



Really now, TM, I am "lambasting America"? No TM, I am mocking you. Can't quite figure out how that makes me less than a "true American"?

I am mocking a fellow loud mouth, arrogant American who thinks that "we" (read that: someone else) should go around cleaning up the middle East. Big words, from a big man, huh? Yep, they sure are.

But I guess that I "digress" yet again. So let me address your point and question concerning what you call "propaganda": Beats me, TM. I have no way of knowing for sure, but who do you suppose would be behind this alleged "propaganda"?

TM, my good fellow American, we are in so much trouble in Iraq, that the "other side" need do nothing but sit back and smirk. We are bleeding money we don't have out the ass. We are stretched to the breaking point militarily. And there is no end in sight for this disaster. But you are all bent out of shape as to the truthfulness of the "soldier".

How come you ain't bent out of shape over the truthfulness of George W. Bush - and his propaganda?

We are in soo much trouble???? Time will tell, but i do think you and others are trying desperately to create a Vietnam type hysteria in your in vain attempt to attack bush.....We've been in Iraq for 4 months and we will be successful and we will find all these weapons you long for, although o me the fact that they found the mobile bio labs and some skuds as well as a terrorist training camp and huge supplies of anti toxin and masks is enough for me....time will tell.

 

[ElCubano]

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We are in soo much trouble???? Time will tell, but i do think you and others are trying desperately to create a Vietnam type hysteria in your in vain attempt to attack bush.....We've been in Iraq for 4 months and we will be successful and we will find all these weapons you long for, although o me the fact that they found the mobile bio labs and some skuds as well as a terrorist training camp and huge supplies of anti toxin and masks is enough for me....time will tell.

Mobile bio labs a little of this and a little of that is not enough to warrant a War or to pull the wool over our eyes as they have done......Even OUR Administration wouldnt start a War just for that ( this would entail we occupy most of the World ).....There must be something else we are after...hmmmmmm what could it be??

Even the real reason we went in is starting to become a big disapointment ( at least in the short term ) ....

 

[TigerO]

Quote from msfe:

We are facing death in Iraq for no reason

A serving US soldier calls for the end of an occupation based on lies


Tim Predmore
Friday September 19, 2003

For the past six months, I have been participating in what I believe to be the great modern lie: Operation Iraqi Freedom.

After the horrific events of September 11 2001, and throughout the battle in Afghanistan, the groundwork was being laid for the invasion of Iraq. "Shock and awe" were the words used to describe the display of power that the world was going to view upon the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom. It was to be an up-close, dramatic display of military strength and advanced technology from within the arsenals of the American and British military.

But as a soldier preparing to take part in the invasion of Iraq, the words "shock and awe" rang deep within my psyche. Even as we prepared to depart, it seemed that these two great superpowers were about to break the very rules that they demanded others obey. Without the consent of the United Nations, and ignoring the pleas of their own citizens, the US and Britain invaded Iraq. "Shock and awe"? Yes, the words correctly described the emotional impact I felt as we embarked on an act not of justice, but of hypocrisy.

From the moment the first shot was fired in this so-called war of liberation and freedom, hypocrisy reigned. After the broadcasting of recorded images of captured and dead US soldiers on Arab television, American and British leaders vowed revenge while verbally assaulting the networks for displaying such vivid images. Yet within hours of the deaths of Saddam Hussein's sons, the US government released horrific photographs of the two dead brothers for the entire world to view. Again, a "do as we say and not as we do" scenario.

As soldiers serving in Iraq, we have been told that our purpose is to help the people of Iraq by providing them with the necessary assistance militarily, as well as in humanitarian efforts. Then tell me where the humanity is in the recent account in Stars and Stripes (the newspaper of the US military) of two young children brought to a US military camp by their mother in search of medical care.

The two children had, unknowingly, been playing with explosive ordnance they had found, and as a result they were severely burned. The account tells how, after an hour-long wait, they - two children - were denied care by two US military doctors. A soldier described the incident as one of many "atrocities" on the part of the US military he had witnessed.

Thankfully, I have not personally been a witness to atrocities - unless, of course, you consider, as I do, that this war in Iraq is the ultimate atrocity.

So what is our purpose here? Was this invasion because of weapons of mass destruction, as we have so often heard? If so, where are they? Did we invade to dispose of a leader and his regime because they were closely associated with Osama bin Laden? If so, where is the proof?

Or is it that our incursion is about our own economic advantage? Iraq's oil can be refined at the lowest cost of any in the world. This looks like a modern-day crusade not to free an oppressed people or to rid the world of a demonic dictator relentless in his pursuit of conquest and domination, but a crusade to control another nation's natural resource. Oil - at least to me - seems to be the reason for our presence.

There is only one truth, and it is that Americans are dying. There are an estimated 10 to 14 attacks every day on our servicemen and women in Iraq. As the body count continues to grow, it would appear that there is no immediate end in sight.

I once believed that I was serving for a cause - "to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States". Now I no longer believe that; I have lost my conviction, as well as my determination. I can no longer justify my service on the basis of what I believe to be half-truths and bold lies.

With age comes wisdom, and at 36 years old I am no longer so blindly led as to believe without question. From my arrival last November at Fort Campbell, in Kentucky, talk of deployment was heard, and as that talk turned to actual preparation, my heart sank and my doubts grew. My doubts have never faded; instead, it has been my resolve and my commitment that have.

My time here is almost done, as well as that of many others with whom I have served. We have all faced death in Iraq without reason and without justification. How many more must die? How many more tears must be shed before Americans awake and demand the return of the men and women whose job it is to protect them, rather than their leader's interest?

· Tim Predmore is a US soldier on active duty with the 101st Airborne Division, based near Mosul in northern Iraq. A version of this article appeared in the Peoria Journal Star, Illinois

Yup !

Telling it the way it is. And if anyone here thinks that it's not possible to get mail out of Iraq, well, heck, they're in even deeper denial than believing Bushs lies and deceit to start an unprecedented preemptive war would even warrant. A counter productive war that not only massively backfired on us, what with the total chaos and anarchy evident to the whole wide world in Afghanistan and Iraq, and that has also created more international terror and instability than ole Osama could ever have hoped for.

 

[tampa]

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We are in soo much trouble???? Time will tell, but i do think you and others are trying desperately to create a Vietnam type hysteria in your in vain attempt to attack bush.....We've been in Iraq for 4 months and we will be successful and we will find all these weapons you long for, although o me the fact that they found the mobile bio labs and some skuds as well as a terrorist training camp and huge supplies of anti toxin and masks is enough for me....time will tell.

Tm, what am I going to do with you?

No "skuds" have been found. The DIA admits that the "mobile bio labs" were not mobile bio labs. And it should not surprise you that Iraq had anti-toxins and masks - they knew we were coming, and we have the largest stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction on earth. And that "terrorist training camp" was a camp full of terrorists who were training to wage a terrorist war against the Iraqi regime and Iran.

Do you ever read a newspaper?.