A dietitian weighs in on the Ketogenic diet for weight loss

[Pekelo]

I will be honest with you. I've never met a shredded person

Wait a minute! We were talking about losing weight, not getting shredded. I don't think the issue here is what the best diet is for body building...

And whom can we trust if not broscience?

https://broscience.co/keto-diet-for-better-fat-loss-results/

 

[Frederick Foresight]

We were talking about losing weight, not getting shredded.

You can't see the Shreddies if they're hidden under layers of fat.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

The contradiction is that the diet was not just a treatment for epilepsy, it was also an approach for obesity but was abandoned when "fat" became the villian and we moved to high sugar/carb, low fat diets. There is plenty of information if this approach being even tested in the 70's.

Short-term results followed by retrace is true for anything people don't stick to so that is not really scientific proof. Those who stick with it see the results. Those that go back to eat processed foods, high carb items and sugars should gain weight.

However KD is too strict for most people to stick with.

The problem with fad diets is that they swing for the fences with their extremes. They're all quick-fix "magic bullet" solutions to longer term problems. Either too many carbs or not enough; too much fat or not enough; too much protein or not enough. And they don't last because they're too much of a stress on the body over the longer term. Enter the yo-yo. Rinse and repeat.

I'll tell you what doesn't go out of style: intelligent macronutrient balance.

 

[Pekelo]

You can't see the Shreddies if they're hidden under layers of fat.

I searched the title of the thread again, I didn't find the word shreeded in it. Nor did I find body building. I did find weight loss though...

So let's not move the goal post.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

I searched the title of the thread again, I didn't find the word shreeded in it. Nor did I find body building. I did find weight loss though...

So let's not move the goal post.

Getting shredded means getting very lean (losing fat).

If you decide to also infer somehow that it includes an increase in size, how would that be detrimental?

 

[Pekelo]

, how would that be detrimental?

Stop fucking around, nobody said it was detrimental. The topic of this thread is losing weight not how to win at black jack or how to build more muscles...

If you didn't get it by now, you won't get it...

 

[rallymode]

Stop fucking around, nobody said it was detrimental. The topic of this thread is losing weight not how to win at black jack or how to build more muscles...

If you didn't get it by now, you won't get it...

Stop being obtuse. Losing weight for the sake of losing weight is the problem with most diets these days. The focus should be to lose fat or increase metabolism not numbers on a scale.

 

[Pekelo]

Stop being obtuse. Losing weight for the sake of losing weight is the problem with most diets these days. The focus should be to lose fat or increase metabolism not numbers on a scale.

I am not the obtuse here. If you are 300 lbs, you are saying getting down to 200 lbs is just for the sake of the numbers?

Anyhow, let's show some studies, just to move forward instead of obfuscating:

"The present study shows the beneficial effects of a long-term ketogenic diet. It significantly reduced the body weight and body mass index of the patients. Furthermore, it decreased the level of triglycerides, LDL cholesterol and blood glucose, and increased the level of HDL cholesterol."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Stop fucking around, nobody said it was detrimental. The topic of this thread is losing weight not how to win at black jack or how to build more muscles...

If you didn't get it by now, you won't get it...

Sorry, rallymode is right. If you look at weight loss as a goal in isolation with no regard to any other variables, then you will almost certainly lose muscle mass in the process. If you lose muscle mass then your metabolism will diminish. If your metabolism slows down, then you will find it easier to gain weight (fat). And then, you're back at square one. And each time you return to this square, you have less and less muscle, slower and slower metabolism, and more difficulty losing fat.

So who's "moving the goal post?" You are. Because you're disregarding the other key element of body composition in the equation: muscle mass. Muscle mass should at least be kept at a constant to properly assess the efficacy of a weight (fat) loss diet/regimen.

 

[Baron]

Wait a minute! We were talking about losing weight, not getting shredded. I don't think the issue here is what the best diet is for body building...

And whom can we trust if not broscience?

https://broscience.co/keto-diet-for-better-fat-loss-results/

Shredded just means you've stayed consistent with a fat-loss diet until there's basically not much fat left to lose. And I stand by my prior statement. I have personally never met a single person who's in great shape (i.e, shredded, super lean, whatever...) that got there on a keto diet. Not one.