How does this square with all the rest of what you wrote?
"Don't get me wrong, i have no moral dilemma for trading but that's just the reality of it."
I have no moral dilemma with trading because I don't think it is selfish and purposeless.
A Day Trader in United Arab Emirates, Dubai.
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"Don't get me wrong, i have no moral dilemma for trading but that's just the reality of it."
I have no moral dilemma with trading because I don't think it is selfish and purposeless.
Hey John, in a nutshell what have you enjoyed about the experiences you have had so far in the sales biz?
What if you were to sit down with a pencil and pad and outline on one single page, on paper,
right now, not tomorrow, now, from memory, the most valuable content that you personally,
as a new salesman, have remembered from that Jordan Belfort book? (if you don't have a
paper copy, get one). That's what you know. Not even what you have in your toolbox
ready to use in a natural manner, which is less than that. Face facts.
Then next day, with the book in hand, give yourself just 60 minutes to grab your pad and
pencil and outline on one single page, on paper, from the book, the most valuable content
that you personally, as a new salesman, want to internalize from that Jordan Belfort book,
and have at your beck and call while with qualified prospects?
Have you worked with/bought from good salespeople? They are so good pressure does not
enter the arena, it is a teamwork event to reach a solution to the situation at hand that ends
up with 'net gain'. Customer is better off after than before meeting the 'consultant'. Sales is
a fantastic way for a bright individual with some snap to rise based on merit and make some
serious frogs and friends that you would never meet in any other gig. If you weren't in sales
they'd say "who the hell are you and what the hell are you doing in my office? Security! lol.
The opposite is equally true if even some single but important elements of the magic are
missing. If you don't have the chops to sell, then either get 'em or get out. Same thing with
trading. Both professions are merciless to the unprepared and will make a hopeful lazy
person into a miserable broke-ass mofo. With impunity.
They both take self control and discipline that the average individual may skate by with for a
year or two but if you don't have the chops, admit it to yourself and go get in line for a
straight j o b. It could be worse.
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I couldn't agree more.
Unless you prove otherwise to yourself, and frankly nobody else gives a shit like y o u, so
Unless you prove otherwise to yourself, assume that you can do Both at the same time. Top
20% Sales Producer and Top 20% trader. Then improve from there. The sales gig will be
easier to earn with sooner than the trader gig. Overwhelming odds are that you think that's
full of shit, so please report back what you find out, lol.
Accurately asses the market for sales organizations that work your area. They may be based
who the hell knows where, so be creative. e.g. Who cleans all those high rise buildings in
Dubai? Who works with the decision makers that have to make sure all that shit gets done
every day 24/7/365? You think Dick Cheney wants to fuck with that? No. So his building
supervisor is who he bitches at. His building supervisor etc would be the guy to ask, How the
hell's it going in here. Why are the front doors all smudged up? lol. That's the brand out
there. I represent XYZ Intl, we specialize in luxury high rise building cleaning and mtce.
Some of our clients are ABC, and DEF. When would there be a good time when we could .... XYZ will have sales training and get you up to speed, the top 20% part is on you.
This shit goes on in every business and good salespeople solve this shit day in and day out.
They find people who would benefit by a good dose of Net Gain. Make them better off After
you meet their needs than before and Get Referrals, lol.
Do the Simple crap right and everything else takes care of itself in Sales AND in Trading.
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John. How do you iron a sheet? Who gives a shit, just start anywhere and work out from
there. Get in motion. You can't fuck it up as long as you get in motion then do the basics.
How to Get Things Done. Be your own expert. Break a Leg.
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The teeny tiny tip of the iceberg of information of value to traders. See what others suggest as websites and links with actionable trading information. The touchy feely crap like Douglas' is fine but he saves the point for the last chapter of an old book of his that I read and swore 'never again' lol, finally after all that crap he sad "give yourself permission to win."
Simple. Don't be Savonorolla
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Be your own expert.
What if you were to sit down with a pencil and pad and outline on one single page, on paper,
right now, not tomorrow, now, from memory, the most valuable content that you personally,
as a new salesman, have remembered from that Jordan Belfort book? (if you don't have a
paper copy, get one). That's what you know. Not even what you have in your toolbox
ready to use in a natural manner, which is less than that. Face facts.
Then next day, with the book in hand, give yourself just 60 minutes to grab your pad and
pencil and outline on one single page, on paper, from the book, the most valuable content
that you personally, as a new salesman, want to internalize from that Jordan Belfort book,
and have at your beck and call while with qualified prospects?
That is a quote of Socrates. "Man is the measure of all things". Purportedly, telling his students, they have to think for themselves, evaluate, measure, consider and figure it out as they are the final decision maker.
Make sure you do not trade with a large percentage of your savings. Only use small accounts (or demo accounts) because it takes time to learn everything you need. It can really take many years, so you need to factor in your living expenses for some years (without consistent trading profits) too.
Why not? What is it that makes it produceful?
The people on the other side of the trade lose money and ruin their lives. You don't produce anything of value, you just take money from someone else. Your thoughts don't change facts.
My point was that i'm okay with that because i can't change reality, might as well use it to your advantage. But most of you here pretend like trading profits is money falling from the sky. It's not the rain that's required for the rainbow, it just comes out of unicorns as* and everyone is happy, right?