A conversation with a Nevertrumper

[RedDuke]

You have this exactly backwards. The Founders certainly did not envision, nor would they have approved of, a permanent class of career pols. They were all successful private businessmen or farmers. They certainly were not afraid to challenge the orthodoxy of their time either, just as Trump has.

In taking an America first approach, he was following the lead of two of our most prominent Founders. George Washington's Farewell Address to us noted that "It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world". Good advice then, still good. The inaugural pledge of Thomas Jefferson was no less clear: "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations-entangling alliances with none."

Trump's supporters are quite aware of his shortcomings. Ronald Reagan is not coming back from the dead to rescue our country a second time however. Trump is the best hope we have. Out of 21 or so presidential candidates, he was the only one who put the interests of Americans first.

Trump putting interest of Americans first, falling off the chair from laughter. Trump only cares about himself, his family and perhaps very close inner circle.

He will cause even more damage if Dems do not take house and senate (very long shot). I thought right and left were divided badly during Obama, but what we have now is a lot worse.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

I thought right and left were divided badly during Obama, but what we have now is a lot worse.

Well, this I agree with.

The right felt every bit as aggrieved by Obama as you guys do by Trump. We didn't stage a national tantrum however. Our upset was legitimate. Obama was a lifelong radical left activist and threatened pretty much everything we believed in. Trump by contrast is a republican out of convenience. He does not seem to have much in the way of bedrock political principles. If dems had taken a different tack and chosen to work with him, they could have achieved many of their goals and helped their constituents. They chose street theater to amuse their far left base however instead.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Look no further with Bush Admin cutting off funding for this research. It has everything to do with pro life conservatives.

Yeah, and pro-life isn't necessarily about religion. It's simply about the belief that a fetus is a live, human being. It's not some religious push against science, and any attempt to consider it such is ludicrous.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Well, this I agree with.

The right felt every bit as aggrieved by Obama as you guys do by Trump. We didn't stage a national tantrum however. Our upset was legitimate. Obama was a lifelong radical left activist and threatened pretty much everything we believed in. Trump by contrast is a republican out of convenience. He does not seem to have much in the way of bedrock political principles. If dems had taken a different tack and chosen to work with him, they could have achieved many of their goals and helped their constituents. They chose street theater to amuse their far left base however instead.

In your imaginary world, he was quite the adversary. Remember the good old days when he was going to take control of the country using military force.

Remember these guys? Democrats encounter some lost Trumpers.

The Samaritan snare is a good way to view how many uneducated republicans interact those who allow them to live comfortably.

It went down hill from there.

 

[TJustice]

RedDuke what exactly is your issue with stem cell research?
Talking to some scientists in that field here San Diego I was under the impression that between adult stem cells and the prexisting lines... there were no issues for them. Perhaps its because they are here in California. Perhaps i did not ask the right questions.

 

[TJustice]

I think you are right. I still don't know why they clowned out when they could have worked with Trump on the Dreamers.
They would have helped their own base and helped Trump alienate his base further.

The way he botched the govt shutdown and now this thing issue with Kavanaugh,

Schummer would get my vote for Republican's MVP.

I realize he has a dilemma

His voting base is govt workers, some minorities, undereducated crazies who need to feel superior, America haters and racists. It can't be easy for him to keep them happy and still vote the way the bankers and silicon valley pay him to vote.

Well, this I agree with.

The right felt every bit as aggrieved by Obama as you guys do by Trump. We didn't stage a national tantrum however. Our upset was legitimate. Obama was a lifelong radical left activist and threatened pretty much everything we believed in. Trump by contrast is a republican out of convenience. He does not seem to have much in the way of bedrock political principles. If dems had taken a different tack and chosen to work with him, they could have achieved many of their goals and helped their constituents. They chose street theater to amuse their far left base however instead.

 

[Scataphagos]

Well, this I agree with.

The right felt every bit as aggrieved by Obama as you guys do by Trump. We didn't stage a national tantrum however. Our upset was legitimate. Obama was a lifelong radical left activist and threatened pretty much everything we believed in.

Yes. Our beef with Odumbo was legit. He did all he could get away with to harm America.

Trump, on the other hand, is at least trying to do things that will benefit the country as a whole... including the undoing of Odumbo's legacy... whether you like his style or not.

The Left is throwing a tantrum simply because Trump's not "one of theirs". "Hate Trump" isn't much of a political platform.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Yes. Our beef with Odumbo was legit. He did all he could get away with to harm America.

Trump, on the other hand, is at least trying to do things that will benefit the country as a whole... including the undoing of Odumbo's legacy... whether you like his style or not.

The Left is throwing a tantrum simply because Trump's not "one of theirs". "Hate Trump" isn't much of a political platform.

Trump's incessant exaggerations and propaganda lies are offensive to decent people left and right. For him and his followers delight in revenge for mostly imagined suffering is now a norm.

You are what you were taught to be as a kid, Washington and the apple tree etc. for most. Imagine Scataphagos' childhood..? he had a disturbed one for certain.

The right created an imaginary monster to be against, Obama was guilty of what he did and whatever was fabricated to pin on him. Trump is actually guilty of massive fraud and scams however the indices are rising due to stock buybacks and some collateral high spirits. But.. when you rob Peter to pay Paul..

So the right can lose their shit about some undergrad albino lesbian Eskimo midget feminazis they are pretending to be intimidated by, excusing their blind and traitorous excesses all they want. The rich tax cut bill will come due regardless.

I am rich and I'm quite diversified with assets in a number of countries, it is Scataphagos who will be eating dogfood and dying of a pre-existing condition.

 

[vanzandt]

I am rich and I'm quite diversified with assets in a number of countries, it is Scataphagos who will be eating dogfood and dying of a pre-existing condition.

I don't know about that. Aside from what we all write politically down here in the cellar... Scat's posts upstairs about trading are always worth the read. When it comes to trading he's definitely not a poser. Probably one of the better traders here I suspect. Could be wrong, but I don't think so.

 

[Tom B]

I don't know about that. Aside from what we all write politically down here in the cellar... Scat's posts upstairs about trading are always worth the read. When it comes to trading he's definitely not a poser. Probably one of the better traders here I suspect. Could be wrong, but I don't think so.

You are correct. Also, Scataphagos had a previous nic that he retired after 10,000 posts.

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/25-years-100-million-profits-a-to-your-qs-today-only.113113/