“Conservatives” Are Single-Largest Ideological Group

[Tigerjaw]

Whether they call themselves 'conservative' or 'liberal' IMO they all seem to be only about expanding their own power & grabbing as much loot for themselves as they can. They do this by constantly increasing the size of "the state". They are all statists. (And "the state" is nothing more than a concept made up of the lawyer fabricated gobble-gook by which these 'leaders' bamboozle the citizenry and get them to blindly go along with the robbery. - - - Its been going on for a long time, in this country since the beginning & the time of the battle between Jefferson and Hamilton. Jefferson was a true liberal in its original sense, and thought that the nation should be about protecting individual political liberty & property rights, and leaving others alone. Hamilton wanted a powerful centralized government that would be a vehicle for control by the new 'elites' (including himself, of course) and for establishing a new American empire. Hamilton also worked hard to establish a federal government run nation and a US central bank.
Ron Paul was the only candidate that had an ounce of knowledge of these matters, or a true dedication to the founding principles of the country. Given the sorry state of the dumb populace, I'm surprised he got as far as he did.

 

[gigsup]

Quote from TraderZones:

Well, when you have the blacks supporting Obama with over 90% of their vote - obviously meaning they voted for his race, not whether he was the best candidate...

Imagine if McCain had gotten over 90% of the white vote. the blacks would likely be storming on Washington as this being somehow rigged or unfair...

I have nothing against blacks per se, but this 90%+ vote was not from the heart or head.

Naw, it was a vote for "the brother"

 

[jficquette]

Quote from Scataphagos:

So... all of the Liberals and nearly all of the Moderates voted for the Left? Those are Black race kinds of numbers... hard to believe those percentages..

A lot of moderates are really Democrats. They just don't like the word liberal.

 

[drjekyllus]

Quote from Scataphagos:

So... all of the Liberals and nearly all of the Moderates voted for the Left? Those are Black race kinds of numbers... hard to believe those percentages..

Typical left-wing response. If you don't like the results of a study, simply say the study is bogus and continue to be driven by left-wing dogma.

 

[drjekyllus]

Quote from monty21:

What kind of conservatives? Fiscal or social conservatives?

Fiscal conservatism has been absent from the Republican Party since the late 1980s. Bush Sr. marked that change.

Social conservatism triumphed in the 1990s with the rise of the radical evangelicals... "Born again" Bush further empowered this radical group. One of the good aspects of Obama's rise is that at least the radical evangelicals have lost a lot of political clout.

Oh I wish fiscal conservatism was back on the rise. What a shame it is that Bush expanded the budget more than another other president... and what a shame it is that he supported TARP.

The study simply says they identify themselves as conservatives. It has nothing to do with Bush.

 

[colonelangus]

Quote from TraderZones:

Well, when you have the blacks supporting Obama with over 90% of their vote - obviously meaning they voted for his race, not whether he was the best candidate...

Imagine if McCain had gotten over 90% of the white vote. the blacks would likely be storming on Washington as this being somehow rigged or unfair...

I have nothing against blacks per se, but this 90%+ vote was not from the heart or head.

the fact that blacks supported Obama OBVIOUSLY means that they were just following with what they have been doing since at least the 60s with an overwhelming Democrat vote. Al Gore got 90% of black votes and even John Kerry got almost that %.
did you imagine that they voted for Bush?

 

[jem]

Quote from jficquette:

A lot of moderates are really Democrats. They just don't like the word liberal.

my experience as well.

but I am beginning to sense that the dems are way over confident.

seriously. the desire for lower taxes is so strong among people with jobs that in social settings I have seen democrats been belittled when they suggest we spend more money and raise taxes.

Seriously what thinking person with a job (besides a government worker) thinks we should pay more taxes.

The only ones who do are the ones eating from the government trough. Like that shithead Buffett.

I still can't believe he was pretending to care about the working man as his company moodys was allowing their pensions to be destroyed with b.s. bond ratings.

Sure warren suggest we raise taxes as your company gives toxic debt your top rating so it can be purchased as an investment grade bond by pension funds.


When is barney frank going to look into that?

 

[monty21]

Quote from drjekyllus:

The study simply says they identify themselves as conservatives. It has nothing to do with Bush.

There is a HUGE difference between fiscal conservatives and social conservatives. That's why Libertarians are such a significant group.

 

[monty21]

I'm a registered Republican and view myself as a strong libertarian. I supported Ron Paul.

I find it unfortunate that the word "liberal" is given such negative connotations. All it means is support of progressive action or reform. Sometimes it is good to no longer maintain the status-quo. No one can argue about.

And yet it's sad how certain "redneck" Republicans assume liberal means some evil form of ideology or so forth.

 

[Nick Leeson Jr]

Quote from monty21:

I'm a registered Republican and view myself as a strong libertarian. I supported Ron Paul.

I find it unfortunate that the word "liberal" is given such negative connotations. All it means is support of progressive action or reform. Sometimes it is good to no longer maintain the status-quo. No one can argue about.

And yet it's sad how certain "redneck" Republicans assume liberal means some evil form of ideology or so forth.

And so obviously you find it "unfortunate" that the word conservative is villified by the losers in the media, in college campuses, the Castro, etc. And also you must find it offensive that the term you use "Redneck" has been made synonymous with a political party. Either that or you are full of it.