A beginner wants to make it

Quote from d0n:

Does any of this have sense? would anyone improve that?
Where do I find good live stocks chart data for free to start with?

Nothing you said made any sense. They are probably pulling your leg or taking the other side.

Quote from d0n:

I plan to start with approx. 2000-3000 USD.

Waow...Hedge funds beware....

No undercapitalized trader makes money consistently. Commissions will kill your account. IB won't sign you for this amount. You will have to pay at least $7 each side for stocks and subject to pattern trader rules. After 214 trades you will have to earn 100% just to recover commissions. Impossible task.

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My suggestion: raise close to 50K and in the meantime do some simulated trading and backtests. Even go to Vegas to attend a trading conference or two.
 
Quote from d0n:

Hi everybody,
first of all, I am fascinated by the world of trading. I see a lot of potential there. I've never been the kind of person who would think that a 9-5 job is the way to live well.

I would like to ask for advice on how to become successful.

I am part of a little commodities trading group, where two succesfull mentors are teaching their strategy. It seems to be a great working strategy, but the problem is that the specific occasion occurs only 2-4 a week. (it is a special kind of bar, specific point on the CCI, eventually the MACD). It is very difficult to be watching the graphs for several hours a day and wait for it to occur only 2x a week.

I am also curious to start with stocks now.
I talked to a good trader who recommended me that I could start with two things,1. look at the stocks in let's say NASDAQ that do the best or the worst in the first 4 minutes after the market opens. They should gain or lose at least 4%, then either buy or sell them and hold them for a few hours. Do this with 2-3 stocks.

2. use a slow stochastic (80 and 20), 3 MAs (20, 50, 200) and based on those enter trades. If the stochastic is over 80 then sell, if under 20 then buy. Also based on the 20 and 50 MAs to cross and follow the trend by the 200 one.

Does any of this have sense? would anyone improve that?
Where do I find good live stocks chart data for free to start with?

I plan to start with approx. 2000-3000 USD.

Thanks for the help.

Hi there newbie:)

If you follow these instructions, you will forego the 10000 hour rule.

1. Forget stocks or futures, you are undercapitalized. Trade FX.
2. When you do trade FX, trade with Oanda so you can control your risk.
3. After you open your Oanda account, fund it with money you would blow over a weekend partying.
4. Find out where you are relative to the Tokyo-London FX sessions, and get a job that will allow you to trade these sessions on adequate sleep.
5. Get a decent data analysis platform. I recommend Amibroker.
6. Analyze the behavior of your instrument and find a way to exploit that.
7. After you find that, find out where to stop and or reverse if you are wrong. I recommend ACD here.
8. Send me a Christmas card after you are rich.
 
Quote from RCG Trader:

Hi there newbie:)

1. Forget stocks or futures, you are undercapitalized. Trade FX.

If he is undercapitalized for stocks and futures then he is orders of magnitude undercapitalized for FX. The fact that FX pool operators offer low margins or high leverage to attract small accounts does not mean these accounts are well-capitalized for this market especially when they are trading against their own broker or ECN or MM.

He is probably going to last no more than 3 months in the FX market. That is optimistic. Most do not last more than one week.

You are so mean sending this guy to his ruin.:)
 
About capital,

With 5-10k you could day trade index futures. One contract tick on ES is worth $12.50 so a 2 point stop is $100 bucks plus commission. Which is 1% of the 10k account and 2% of the 5k account, per trade.

Obviously you would already have success in simulated trading for a number of months, and this will allow you to have a string of losses without blowing up.

Mark
 
Quote from intradaybill:

If he is undercapitalized for stocks and futures then he is orders of magnitude undercapitalized for FX. The fact that FX pool operators offer low margins or high leverage to attract small accounts does not mean these accounts are well-capitalized for this market especially when they are trading against their own broker or ECN or MM.

He is probably going to last no more than 3 months in the FX market. That is optimistic. Most do not last more than one week.

You are so mean sending this guy to his ruin.:)

Lack of study here, grasshopper. With Oanda he can trade with an account size of one dollar.

One buck.

Did I say he could trade with one dollar?
 
Quote from RCG Trader:

Lack of study here, grasshopper. With Oanda he can trade with an account size of one dollar.

One buck.

Did I say he could trade with one dollar?

Actually you recommended to a guy who admits is a beginner to the most difficult zero-sum game, FX.
 
Quote from intradaybill:

Actually you recommended to a guy who admits is a beginner to the most difficult zero-sum game, FX.


All of these games are zero sum, bruh. He needs to be in a place where he can control his risk and not have to refund his account.

FX is the place.

Oanda is the broker.
 
The Oanda idea is a good one. You can, as RCG pointed out, risk the equivalent of a Friday happy hour while testing various strategies and getting some valuable screen time.

I'm leery of indicator-based trading because I studied several of them and backtested several of them and despite the backtesting demonstrating millionaire status within a year, reality never came close (this was automated backtesting).

I was thrilled with the stochastics idea when I discovered it and I had a string of profits for weeks/months, up 40% in three months. I felt invincible (ego) and I held more positions as swing trades, inverting my risk:reward ratio badly when a trade ran against me too far, expecting that there was no way the indicator could be wrong.

I gave back much of my profit and spent a long time starting over, learning price action trading, the advantage of which is you always have a hard line in the sand beyond which the position is closed or reversed (strong risk management) and because you're riding on the coattails of the institutional traders/investors who move price, the expectancy is positive (statistical edge) due to the inertia created by these market participants looking accumulate or distribute large positions.

I now frequently buy new highs and sell new lows even if price is extremely overextended and these are rarely losing trades.

The market is always right. You're new, so here are a few lessons you can have for free instead of blowing your account over them:

If the news is bad and price is going up, either buy or do nothing; if news is good and price is going down, either sell or do nothing.

The trend is your friend. Learn to recognize a trend and how to trade one. If a stock's P/E ratio is ridiculously high and only idiots are buying this POS and only dumbasses are falling for this fake rally and this is nothing but a massive short squeeze, either buy or do nothing. Some of us remember how stupid we thought people were for buying NFLX above $60/share, but it never looked back at $60 and spent the next year and a half rising to top $300 and trade at ridiculous P/E levels despite major headwinds. However, once that parabolic uptrend line finally broke and became resistance, it was the short play of a decade.

If price is totally overextended up or down and the stochastics are fully overbought/oversold and Keltners are in the 7th house and Bollinger aligns with Mars, it's not necessarily the dawning of Age of Acquiring Wealth by positioning yourself against this move. Learn to recognize the patterns that signal a pullback or trend reversal and only trade counter to the move when price triggers this pullback or reversal. Until you learn to do this, either buy the overbought and sell the oversold or do nothing.

Losing trades are a cost of doing business. A successful business doesn't expect to only produce income without ever paying for rent, utilities, employees, inventory, etc. A successful trader doesn't expect to only produce profitable trades.

If you're a trader who has, so far, only produced profitable trades, you're cutting winners short in order to snare a profit on every trade, and/or you're moving stops to break even in order to prevent any trade from becoming a loser, and/or you're holding losers (and maybe averaging down along the way) until price comes back to at least break even or a small profit. These tactics can work for a long time, convincing you that you've outsmarted the market. In fact, the longer the string of success, the more danger you're in of taking a large or even catastrophic loss.

Mom has spoken :cool:
 
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If price is totally overextended up or down and the stochastics are fully overbought/oversold and Keltners are in the 7th house and Bollinger aligns with Mars, it's not necessarily the dawning of Age of Acquiring Wealth by positioning yourself against this move.
:eek: :p :D lmao
 
Quote from d0n:

Hi everybody,
first of all, I am fascinated by the world of trading. I see a lot of potential there. I've never been the kind of person who would think that a 9-5 job is the way to live well.


You have too many things on your mind. Clear it all out and start with one simple idea. Forward test it for months. I don't even recommend using profits targets initially. Learn the art of stop placement while you use time based exits. Example:

Buy XYZ at $20.00 when you get your entry signal, and just hold it for one day and exit on closing price. This will give an idea of whther you are placing yourself on the right side of the market. Once you convince yourself of this, then you can fine tune your profit targets in many different ways.
 
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