_Why do we even need the insurance companies?

[omegapoint]

Quote from RangeBar:

Actually; it does work. It works in every industrialized nation on the planet except the USA. When has 'government' (which is you and me, btw), ever 'failed or done something to lose your trust !?!? Why in the world would you trust your health care to corporatations who interest lies in DENYING payments for your health care !?!?

Since the 'government' is you and me, it cannot 'steal'.

This is what they've been conditioned by the talking heads to avoid recognizing. If corruption is a snake then the head of the snake is corporations since they've been siphoning taxpayer dollars to themselves, esp. wallstreet, by lobbying legislation
that creates favorable regulations or simply doesn't regulate the ones on the books. The right is only now caring about it since its a democrat who seems to not be able to get anything done any other way its so entrenched.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Quote from RangeBar:

Actually; it does work. It works in every industrialized nation on the planet except the USA. When has 'government' (which is you and me, btw), ever 'failed or done something to lose your trust !?!? Why in the world would you trust your health care to corporatations who interest lies in DENYING payments for your health care !?!?

Since the 'government' is you and me, it cannot 'steal'.

A stunning display of naivety, and that's giving you the benefit of the doubt.

 

[dsq]

Quote from CaptainObvious:

Nice idea in theory, but it won't work in the real world. Do you actually believe that the government will take all those marketing costs, salaries and other costs associated with running a insurance company without stealing every god damn dime? Please, you cannot be that ignorant. There will be no savings with a government system. We'll all pay more in the end and we'll all get less.
I cannot for the life of me understand how you folks believe the government can pull this off without taxing us all in to poverty. What do you base that trust on? If this were a trade, what would be the probability of it working out? Zero! No one in their right mind would take a trade like that.
It all boils down to a matter of trust and money. I simply don't trust the government with any more of my money than they already steal from me.

The fact is natioanl healthcare works in every other industrialized country in the world.That really screws with your fox news concept of reality dont it?
I never hear old farts complaining about how terrible medicare is or how bad the VA is.Those are socilaized and govt run.They are much better than hmo's.
You cant refute that so you stick your head in the sand.

How old are you?Do you even have health coverage?If so,who pays for it.What is your moronic obsession with the govt not being able to do anything right?You live in a democratic country with laws and a national infrastructure run by govt and that functions pretty well.It was the private sector that just wiped out our financial,housing,banking system.

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Anyone else notice that the mutton head GOP types have no response to the example of socialism, single payer that works, i.e. the Veteran's administration?

 

[maxpi]

Quote from kut2k2:

Maxpi is clearly an idiot if he thinks the health insurance companies have anything to do with medical advances.

It's unsurprising that he'd get on his knee-jerk anti-Marxist tirade.

The truth is that insurance companies come in two varieties: symbiotic and parasitic.

Symbiotic insurance companies are great; they are pillars of the community.

Parasitic insurance companies, and HICs (health insurance companies) have definitely become the parasitic variety, should be exterminated like any other parasites. They are no better than fleas, ticks, lice, mosquitoes, leeches or vampire bats. They can't go to hell a day too soon.

What maxpi and his ilk doesn't understand is that there is no justification whatsoever for accepting payment for a service (e.g., HIC premiums) and then refusing to render that service (paying medical and hospital bills). The fact that maxpi doesn't even think about this parasitism shows exactly how morally and intellectually bankrupt the apologists for the HICs are.

We need a single-payer health care system and it's trivially simple: Medicare For All. The basic structure is already in place. We just need to fund it and the HICs will go the way of the dodo bird. Good riddance.

hee hee, only a dedicated Marxist @sshole could ignore the fact that Medicare started losing money in 2008, before the economic crisis.. and it's covering only a fraction of the population and on target to bankrupt the USA!!

I'm curious, in your thinking should illegals have to come to the USA to suck money out of us or should we just be sending it to them? There are differing opinions between Marxists and I just wonder where you fall on that one.....

I'd say that overall, people that agree with you 1) are a small fraction of the voters 2) read "Rules for Radicals" over and over...

 

[CaptainObvious]

Quote from dsq:

The fact is natioanl healthcare works in every other industrialized country in the world.That really screws with your fox news concept of reality dont it?
I never hear old farts complaining about how terrible medicare is or how bad the VA is.Those are socilaized and govt run.They are much better than hmo's.
You cant refute that so you stick your head in the sand.

How old are you?Do you even have health coverage?If so,who pays for it.What is your moronic obsession with the govt not being able to do anything right?You live in a democratic country with laws and a national infrastructure run by govt and that functions pretty well.It was the private sector that just wiped out our financial,housing,banking system.

Yep, those greedy scumbags in the private sector played a part, but you seem to suggest that government had no role at all, when in fact they were the major player in our economic demise. To ignore that obvious fact is naive to the point of absolute stupidity, or you share the views of the radical left. Which is it...comrade?

 

[drjekyllus]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Anyone else notice that the mutton head GOP types have no response to the example of socialism, single payer that works, i.e. the Veteran's administration?

Isn't this an employeer based healthcare option?

 

[drjekyllus]

Quote from dsq:

The fact is natioanl healthcare works in every other industrialized country in the world.That really screws with your fox news concept of reality dont it?

Remember Natasha Richardson, she hit her head skiing in Quebec and spent the night in a hospital in Montreal then was flown to a hospital in NYC the next day. She was in critical condition when she made the flight. Gee, I wonder why they flew her to a hospital in NYC if the healthcare in Canada is so freaking great.

 

[OPTIONAL777]

No.

Quote from drjekyllus:

Isn't this an employeer based healthcare option?

 

[Artful D0dger]

He thinks it's absolutely hilarious how everyone becomes a life long health care expert once health care comes into the limelight of the political theater.

He also thinks that while universal coverage in the United States is an admirable goal, it isn't really suitable for the United States in it's current condition. The United States already pays more per capita on health care than Canada, Sweden, even France. Do you honestly think that number will decrease once universal coverage is applied? He assures you that you are fucked in the head if you do.

Ahhnold can do reps of 450 no problem, but just because he can do it unfortunately doesn't mean everyone else can. France, Sweden, and Canada deliver fantastic universal medical care via a government administrated entity. Unfortunately just because they do does not mean the United States can. The United States government is notoriously wasteful, corrupt, and inefficient as compared to other nations which successfully facilitate this model of health care. If we try to bench press 450, or if the United States tries to implement such a plan, it will be a miserable disaster.