911 was our fault: Ron Paul

[achilles28]

Quote from a_person:

You can't be serious, right? Objecting to certain aspects of your country's foreign policy and murdering 3,000 civilians of another country that has not done anything illegal (yes, the presence of the US troops in SA is in full compliance with international law and bilateral agreements between two countries) are not exactly the same things, are they?

Ron Paul's views is an open season on american civilians, anyone disagreeing with certain aspects of the US foreign (or domestic for that matter) policy, legal and legitimate as it may be will just blow up a few skyscrapers and Ron Paul will declare that "it is our fault".

The US props up and finances the Saudi Royal family, which are autocratic despots. Not exactly a guiltless proposition. Same with Mubarak. As far as Iraq, US Sanctions under Clinton killed over half a million Iraqi children. OBL cited both as justifications for 911.

Let me get this straight. Are you saying the US should be able to finance any dictator and erect crippling sanctions against any Country, and not expect to incite resentment and retribution from militants? Please use you're head. We are all human. Humans all respond the same when attacked or oppressed. That's what blowback is. Retribution.

 

[achilles28]

Quote from RCG Trader:

For the record, I am an adherent to non intervention policies. We tend to make every fight our fight. And now we are out of money.

That said, I have said I wish Paul was more of a politician. Some have disagreed. Chris Matthews zinged him on CR65 and here Bill O'Reilly basically get him to say 911 was our fault.

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I agree with everything Paul said in the video. 911 was blowback. So what? Shit happens. Rack up body bags overseas from sanctions and oil wars, and you're gonna get fucked. Chickens came home to roost. Yes, it's terrible. And yes, innocent Americans were killed. Just like America has killed 100 times as many innocents, overseas. It's asymmetrical warfare. Not some men in caves who "hate your freedom". Grow up.

This deluded narrative Americans cling to that every war they fight defends freedom and recuses the innocent, honestly, it's infantile. How many Iraqi civilians died in Gulf War 1? Gulf War 2? The sanctions? How many Kurds were snuffed out by Saddam when he was our boy? Who gave him the chemical weapons? How many Egyptians were imprisoned and tortured under Mubarak's 40 year reign? And you wonder why a few of them hate us and take up arms against us? Seriously. Check your fucking head.

The whole notion America is above reproach, our shit doesn't stink, and every kill we rack up is "just", is nonsense. Complete horseshit. Speaks to how dumbed-down, idiotic and vapidly hallow the American intellectual psyche is.

 

[RCG Trader]

Quote from achilles28:

I agree with everything Paul said in the video. 911 was blowback. So what? Shit happens. Rack up body bags overseas from sanctions and oil wars, and you're gonna get fucked. Chickens came home to roost. Yes, it's terrible. And yes, innocent Americans were killed. Just like America has killed 100 times as many innocents, overseas. It's asymmetrical warfare. Not some men in caves who "hate your freedom". Grow up.

This deluded narrative Americans cling to that every war they fight defends freedom and recuses the innocent, honestly, it's infantile. How many Iraqi civilians died in Gulf War 1? Gulf War 2? The sanctions? How many Kurds were snuffed out by Saddam when he was our boy? Who gave him the chemical weapons? How many Egyptians were imprisoned and tortured under Mubarak's 40 year reign? And you wonder why a few of them hate us and take up arms against us? Seriously. Check your fucking head.

The whole notion America is above reproach, our shit doesn't stink, and every kill we rack up is "just", is nonsense. Complete horseshit. Speaks to how dumbed-down, idiotic and vapidly hallow the American intellectual psyche is.

All well and good achilles, but that same dumbed-down, idiotic and vapid psyche will be what puts any politician into office. Ron Paul is an excellent analyst, but a terrible national politician. He is just awful.

 

[achilles28]

Quote from RCG Trader:

All well and good achilles, but that same dumbed-down, idiotic and vapid psyche will be what puts any politician into office. Ron Paul is an excellent analyst, but a terrible national politician. He is just awful.

I agree, we're pretty much phcked at this point. I disagree that Ron is a terrible politician. He's a below average speaker, true. But the fact he doesn't play politics, to me, that's a redeeming feature. Smooth-talking flip-floppers gang-raped America for the past 40 years. I'd like to elect an honest person to the White House, for a change. My 2 cents.

Btw, my above post, I wasn't referring to you, specifically. Sometimes I personalize when talking generally. No personal criticism was intended.

 

[achilles28]

Watched the Republican debate from last night. The crowd nearly boo'd Ron off the stage when he suggested we use the Golden Rule to govern international affairs. From a crowd of predominantly "Christian conservatives", no less.

By and large, mainstream Americans are schizoid warmongers and lazy-ass welfare queens. Sad, but all these losers are gonna get raped, very soon. The flurry of Police State legislation and national debt will see to that. That's a taboo subject in these Republican debates, however. Romney, said he would have signed the NDAA into law. A law that allows the indefinite military detention of American citizens. This coming from a man who's campaigning to "restore America back to it's founding principles". Our front-runner. Mitt went to opine if American greatness is to be restored, we must increase military spending!! In a time when were 4 years out from Greece... "Private sector" Romney, getting the job done...

See, Americans are idiots. They love when politicians talk about American exceptionalism and freedom, in the abstract. They couldn't give a shit if Congress butcher our freedoms, in reality. A schizoid, delusional, infantile nation. Like Canada, like Europe. We are fucking done for.

Santarom said he wouldn't have signed the NDAA into law and defended Habeus Corpus. I'm shocked.

 

[RCG Trader]

Quote from achilles28:

Watched the Republican debate from last night. The crowd nearly boo'd Ron off the stage when he suggested we use the Golden Rule to govern international affairs. From a crowd of predominantly "Christian conservatives", no less.

By and large, mainstream Americans are schizoid warmongers and lazy-ass welfare queens. Sad, but all these losers are gonna get raped, very soon. The flurry of Police State legislation and national debt will see to that. That's a taboo subject in these Republican debates, however. Romney, said he would have signed the NDAA into law. A law that allows the indefinite military detention of American citizens. This coming from a man who's campaigning to "restore America back to it's founding principles". Our front-runner. Mitt went to opine if American greatness is to be restored, we must increase military spending!! In a time when were 4 years out from Greece... "Private sector" Romney, getting the job done...

See, Americans are idiots. They love when politicians talk about American exceptionalism and freedom, in the abstract. They couldn't give a shit if Congress butcher our freedoms, in reality. A schizoid, delusional, infantile nation. Like Canada, like Europe. We are fucking done for.

Santarom said he wouldn't have signed the NDAA into law and defended Habeus Corpus. I'm shocked.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-of-the-free/2012/01/04/gIQAvcD1wP_story.html

Even as we pass judgment on countries we consider unfree, Americans remain confident that any definition of a free nation must include their own — the land of free. Yet, the laws and practices of the land should shake that confidence. In the decade since Sept. 11, 2001, this country has comprehensively reduced civil liberties in the name of an expanded security state. The most recent example of this was the National Defense Authorization Act, signed Dec. 31, which allows for the indefinite detention of citizens. At what point does the reduction of individual rights in our country change how we define ourselves?

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from RCG Trader:

... that same dumbed-down, idiotic and vapid psyche will be what puts any politician into office...

It certainly worked for Obama.

 

[Trader666]

Is that the best you can do? Pretend to negate reality by citing Forrest Gump? Do you "think" our representatives elect themselves or stay in power without the peoples' approval? I'll dumb it down for you. Have you noticed that people are what they actually do or have done? Which is why they're judged in court based on their actions? You brought up hand signals BTW.

Quote from DAS Trader:

I see you are now reduced to channeling Forrest Gump and ascii art. How appropriate. Thank you for showing everyone how incredibly intelligent you are....not.

 

[Ricter]

Quote from achilles28:

The US props up and finances the Saudi Royal family, which are autocratic despots. Not exactly a guiltless proposition. Same with Mubarak. As far as Iraq, US Sanctions under Clinton killed over half a million Iraqi children. OBL cited both as justifications for 911.

Let me get this straight. Are you saying the US should be able to finance any dictator and erect crippling sanctions against any Country, and not expect to incite resentment and retribution from militants? Please use you're head. We are all human. Humans all respond the same when attacked or oppressed. That's what blowback is. Retribution.

Well said.

That whore, Reason, sleeps with the highest bidder!

 

[DT-waw]

9/11 was done for the very same reasons millions of americans weak up in the morning and work their asses off until midnight - to make some cash $$$


ultimately, this is precisely what everybody loves, isn't it?
some serious, fat, blood covered money.

the operation was a awesome success!
about few trillions made for approx. 15,000 people.
by any standards, something really to be proud of.