911 was our fault: Ron Paul

DemZad · Jan 16, 2012

Quote from RCG Trader:

Now, this is where we went wrong. See, we are either imperialists, or liberators. We cannot be both. Powell Doctrine: Walk away if we can, but if we can not, crush them totally. Then come home.

Strategic bombings and all that crap is what killed us. If we are going to be an imperium, we need to act like and stop fukking around. If we are going to be liberators, as soon as the liberatees are liberated. WE PACK UP AND GO HOME. Its one, or the other.

We are imperialists hiding under the cloak of liberators.

RCG Trader · Jan 16, 2012

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We are imperialists hiding under the cloak of liberators.

Well, yeah, but look at what that has wrought. Now, we have no money. There are countries that can, and will, wake economic war on us. That is a cold war. If it gets too bad for us, we will turn into a hot war. That is why I told 377 to watch his mouth. Nobody here is off the hook. Nobody.

Trader666 · Jan 16, 2012

You're more Gayfly-sounding with each post. And you mistake ridicule for anger, like you get just about everything else wrong. America is what America does, dipshit or dumbass (whatever the "D" in DAS stands for). Here's some sign language for you

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Quote from DAS Trader:

And this is the part where your veins begin to pop out of your forehead. Let me further simplify this for you, because I know it is difficult for you to understand complex ideas.

America is not its government. Citizens who criticize the policies of the American government are not criticizing America. Are you able to comprehend the distinction?

You seem to love to suggest that criticism of failed foreign policy is somehow tantamount to treason. You could not be more wrongheaded. It is the duty of the citizenry to hold our government accountable when it screws up. That begins with criticism.

Does this explain it for you or should I use sign language?

Ricter · Jan 16, 2012

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Well, yeah, but look at what that has wrought. Now, we have no money.

We are neither bankrupt or unemployed. Cash flow, that's a problem, but it's a result of safety-net expenditures. Stimulate effective demand where it counts, at the consumer level, and you don't have that problem anymore either.

RCG Trader · Jan 16, 2012

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We are neither bankrupt or unemployed. Cash flow, that's a problem, but it's a result of safety-net expenditures. Stimulate effective demand where it counts, at the consumer level, and you don't have that problem anymore either.

Ricter, we have no money. I will let you to the homework on that.

DemZad · Jan 16, 2012

Quote from Trader666:

You're more Gayfly-sounding with each post. And you mistake ridicule for anger, like you get just about everything else wrong. America is what America does, dipshit or dumbass (whatever the "D" in DAS stands for). Here's some sign language for you

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I see you are now reduced to channeling Forrest Gump and ascii art. How appropriate. Thank you for showing everyone how incredibly intelligent you are....not.

Lucrum · Jan 16, 2012

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Ricter, we have no money. I will let you to the homework on that.

He already has. He's stated that we owe the money to ourselves and therefore don't have a debt problem.

I asked him to explain how I too might borrow money I don't have from myself. So I could also live beyond my means without repayment obligations. I'm anxiously awaiting his response.

Ricter · Jan 16, 2012

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Ricter, we have no money. I will let you to the homework on that.

We have money, got some in my wallet right now. But seriously, as long as we are making our interest payments to the satisfaction of our creditors and as long as we have desirable goods to bring to international markets we're neither bankrupt or broke. We may have a lot of debt (again, mostly to ourselves), but so far the creditors are ok with it.

Ricter · Jan 16, 2012

Quote from Lucrum:

He already has. He's stated that we owe the money to ourselves and therefore don't have a debt problem.

I asked him to explain how I too might borrow money I don't have from myself. So I could also live beyond my means without repayment obligations. I'm anxiously awaiting his response.

And I asked you to confirm, assuming that you have zero assets, that you're also without an income.

Lucrum · Jan 16, 2012

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And I asked you to confirm, assuming that you have zero assets, that you're also without an income.

I missed that.

I have assets and an income.

What's that got to do with the federal deficit and national debt though?

The federal government and I are two separate entities.