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Quote from chaosclarity:

Lets not let the Obama experts study the plan
and another thing, how do you propose we not let the Obama experts study the plan. Send out those little security cards with secret codes on them to republicans (not Romney republicans) only?

"Let's not let Obama experts study the plan" that's what you actually posted"!
 
Quote from oldtime:

so lets see, the little guy making min wage pays no fed taxes, but now he pays 9 in sales and 9 in income but no longer pays 15 in payroll, so that is a 3% increase for the poor. so thats a pay cut from 7.2 to 6.98/hr. Not a step in the right direction but not devestating. An increase in the food stamp allowance could cover it.

Keep in mind, this all goes back to my basic belief that only the rich should pay taxes. And I define the rich as those who are making more than the other half.

So right now, 47% pay no fed income taxes, and I think that should be 50%.

And I've been on both sides. I had one year with 3 losing quarters in a row, which is classically defined as a depression. (and I was on probation at the time so I couldn't even smoke pot.)
so the next year, I had a fantastic 1st quarter, the kind you only dream about, so i remembered how it went last year and figured why pay quarterly estimates when I'll probably lose most of it the rest of the year anyway. The second quarter was not as good but still way above average. I figured, why give it to the IRS when I will probably need it to dig myself out of the next drawdown. And sure as shit, the 3rd quarter was a loser. not big, not net for the year, but a loser. So still no estimated taxes. Then I don't know what happened. December was incredible, no matter what I did I couldn't lose. Man, come Jan 15 I owed a shitload of taxes and I'd already spent it. (had a wife and kids back then) One side of the family was Christian and the other side Jewish and my kids celebrated both Hannuka and Christmas.)
 
I have confidence in the American people that when it comes time to vote they will look at all the options and ask themselves if they are better off today then they were 4 years ago. If they are better off, then their choice will be obvious. However, if they are not better off then they will have another choice.

You can opine on message boards like this all weekend long as you have been doing this weekend (when you really should be continuing the job search), however, it will fool no one when the time comes to vote.
 
plan is horrible plus worst thing which makes anyone puke is 9 % tax on trading...

Anything on trading either capital or dividend should be taxed over 30 to 40 %.. speculators and greedy BS can ruin entire countries...

once you cap greedy Wall street there wont be any other bubble for atleast 20 yrs...
 
Quote from brokerboy:

the whole idea is silly because someone running for president isn't middle class. you would kill the middle class with this idea because in NJ you would pay 16% sale tax. when sitting in a room with rich people 999 sounds genus.

Total sales taxes on a transaction would be 15-18% everywhere. 7-9% of that would be the state sales tax which is already in place. The "9-9-9" plan is only about FEDERAL income tax.
 
Quote from gobar:

plan is horrible plus worst thing which makes anyone puke is 9 % tax on trading...

Anything on trading either capital or dividend should be taxed over 30 to 40 %.. speculators and greedy BS can ruin entire countries...

once you cap greedy Wall street there wont be any other bubble for atleast 20 yrs...

Some countries have zero capital gains tax. They haven't "ruined entire countries", have the?

You're talking crazy, here...
:confused:
 
Singapore is commonly labeled as the land of opportunity and number on in terms of freedom. The US should study that model and emulate it. No one in Singapore pays over 20% in taxes.
 
chaosclarity


Remember:
How many are really informed beyond their biases?
The people protesting through the country also vote.
Many indoctrinated college grads also will vote and remember their knowledgeable professors.
Who will not be influenced by their government assistance?
How about all the dropouts?
How will those bottom of the economic chain vote?
How many will vote against their own self interest?
PROBABLY AS MANY % WISE AS THOSE IN WASHINGTON D.C. PUT COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY !
 
Taxes?

Title 26 tax code. Law frequently goes to the definitions:

TITLE 26 > Subtitle F > CHAPTER 79 > § 7701

(c) Includes and including
The terms “includes” and “including” when used in a definition contained in this title shall not be deemed to exclude other things otherwise within the meaning of the term defined.


Why is that defined as a legal term?

Why is the definition full of double negatives?

When you read the sentence it might sound like "includes" means "expansive", however remove the double negatives and you'll see that "includes" means "inclusive".


Also see the legal definitions for "employee", "employer", and "trade or business".
 
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