9/11 Truthers

Quote from Lucias:

I'm not a truther and feel that the official version of events is probably fairly close to the real events. I, also, believe that the government used this event to whittle away at some of our freedoms and further own aims.

However and having said that, there is one striking thing that stands out in my mind was they were able to pilot these planes into the Pentagon and World Trade Center and none of them (except for the one the passengers took over) missed their marks.

I don't know much about flying. But, I have played with Flight Simulator. And, it seems it would take quite a bit of skill to find the landmarks and hit them.

I know that the hijackers went to pilot school but some of the reports claimed they could barely even land a plane. You would have to line up well in advance to hit one of these targets, I would think.

The Pentagon would be especially difficult to hit...


A precision attack within the hour with box cutters as weapons. Sounds like something out of a science fiction novel.
 
Quote from Lucias:

I'm not a truther and feel that the official version of events is probably fairly close to the real events. I, also, believe that the government used this event to whittle away at some of our freedoms and further own aims.

However and having said that, there is one striking thing that stands out in my mind was they were able to pilot these planes into the Pentagon and World Trade Center and none of them (except for the one the passengers took over) missed their marks.

I don't know much about flying. But, I have played with Flight Simulator. And, it seems it would take quite a bit of skill to find the landmarks and hit them.

I know that the hijackers went to pilot school but some of the reports claimed they could barely even land a plane. You would have to line up well in advance to hit one of these targets, I would think. It seems like it would be especially difficult to pilot into the Pentagon.

So, either these terrorist were very skilled or got very lucky.. it just seems something is missing in that.

Not really. Landing is by far the hardest part of flying. It was a stunningly clear and beautiful day, something I remembered again watching the replay on the History Channel this weekend. That was deliberate, of course: these guys didn't have the skills to fly by instruments, as would a truly skilled and certified pilot, and they definitely didn't have the skill needed to land one of these monsters. But flying it into a stationary, huge target like the towers, or a low-slung, sprawling one like the Pentagon? Relatively, a piece of cake.
 
What's awesome about retards like you is that you can be presented with actual facts, real hard evidence, and you won't even bother to look at it. How can you even debate with someone like that? You can't. Because you are dealing with a loser. Might as well have a conversation with a plant.

You are a hillbilly redneck who lives in a trailer with no power. Why would anyone take you seriously?

I'm sure Obama will thank you for the vote again. Your leftist philosophy will persevere.

Quote from 377OHMS:

What is clear is that the conspriracy nuts aren't subject to facts, logic or reason. When confronted they become psychotic.
They are mentally ill.

Arguing with them serves no purpose except to reinforce their image as unbalanced people.

Optional is a foreigner obsessed with the USA and its politics. He harbors so much hatred towards America that he manifests fantasies about the 9/11 attack coming from within. He can't be reasoned with because he is sick. Harmless but quite mentally ill.
 
Quote from Hombre:

Because what he is asserting is about the same what i hear from government for last 10-15 years. So far they were lying to us pretty much about evrything so i am doubtful of anything what resembles official line.....
This explains a basis of your opinion, NOT how you supposedly know with certainty.
 
Quote from Lucias:

However and having said that, there is one striking thing that stands out in my mind was they were able to pilot these planes into the Pentagon and World Trade Center and none of them (except for the one the passengers took over) missed their marks.

I don't know much about flying. But, I have played with Flight Simulator. And, it seems it would take quite a bit of skill to find the landmarks and hit them.
Not necesarily, as long as they were able to find the correct city, assuming they had studied some maps in advance, those particular landmarks stand out well enough.

During WWII very young barely trained Japanese pilots navigated the vast expanse of the pacific ocean, without GPS, and managed to crash their planes into US ships. Many of them much smaller than the WTC, and the ships were moving.

It seems like it would be especially difficult to pilot into the Pentagon.
Can't say as I've ever actually tried it but I don't think it would be as difficult as you might think.
 
Quote from Optional:

What's awesome about retards like you is that you can be presented with actual facts, real hard evidence, and you won't even bother to look at it. How can you even debate with someone like that? You can't. Because you are dealing with a loser. Might as well have a conversation with a plant.

You are a hillbilly redneck who lives in a trailer with no power. Why would anyone take you seriously?

I'm sure Obama will thank you for the vote again. Your leftist philosophy will persevere.
LOL Everything you have said in this post is not true about OHMS. You just have it completely bass ackwards. Work on your reading comprehension, buddy.
 
Remotely interesting thread. IMO, the sad truth is Bin Laden could have called the CIA on 9/10 and told them he was having some planes hijacked, they would be flown into the WTC the next day, and not a damn thing would have been done to prevent it. Not because they, or anyone else, were "in on it". They wouldn't have done anything due to massive government bureaucracy, general incompetence which is rampant in our government, and finally a bunch of massive ego's who refuse to ask for help or share info. That's it! No major conspiracy. Just a bunch of fuck ups who happen to be running the whole damn show.
Now if you want to talk about how that incident was, and has been exploited for power and profit...that's a different story altogether.
 
Quote from Optional:

What's awesome about retards like you is that you can be presented with actual facts, real hard evidence, and you won't even bother to look at it. How can you even debate with someone like that? You can't. Because you are dealing with a loser. Might as well have a conversation with a plant.

You are a hillbilly redneck who lives in a trailer with no power. Why would anyone take you seriously?

I'm sure Obama will thank you for the vote again. Your leftist philosophy will persevere.

Its not a debate.

Its me pointing out to you that your basic facts are incorrect, your subsequent analysis flawed and your final conclusions borderline psychotic.

You're simply wrong about 9/11 at every level.

And you couldn't be more wrong about me if you worked at it. Pspr beat me to it, I was going to suggest that there is something amiss with your reading comprehension.

Clearly you are angry. As I've said, once your fantasy has been confronted you react quite emotionally. You're just wrong, that all. It isn't the end of the world.
 
Quote from CaptainObvious:

Remotely interesting thread. IMO, the sad truth is Bin Laden could have called the CIA on 9/10 and told them he was having some planes hijacked, they would be flown into the WTC the next day, and not a damn thing would have been done to prevent it. Not because they, or anyone else, were "in on it". They wouldn't have done anything due to massive government bureaucracy, general incompetence which is rampant in our government, and finally a bunch of massive ego's who refuse to ask for help or share info. That's it! No major conspiracy. Just a bunch of fuck ups who happen to be running the whole damn show.
Now if you want to talk about how that incident was, and has been exploited for power and profit...that's a different story altogether.

I find myself agreeing with you lately. Bin Laden could have called them up and announced the attack and it wouldn't have been stopped.

Before the Pearl Harbor attack a couple of radar technicians on the North Shore of Oahu detected the Japanese Fleet (or the inbound aircraft) and telephoned the report into Fleet Command at Pearl. Nothing was done.
 
Quote from CaptainObvious:

...IMO, the sad truth is Bin Laden could have called the CIA on 9/10 and told them he was having some planes hijacked, they would be flown into the WTC the next day, and not a damn thing would have been done to prevent it. Not because they, or anyone else, were "in on it". They wouldn't have done anything due to massive government bureaucracy, general incompetence which is rampant in our government, and finally a bunch of massive ego's who refuse to ask for help or share info. That's it! No major conspiracy. Just a bunch of fuck ups...
A point I briefly eluded to earlier, without the detail and eloquence.
 
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