80% tax rate Means prosperity

Quote from Appleseed:

A high tax rate means that you are incapable of managing
the money you have earned and the geniuses in Washington
are all Warren Buffets.
Your view of past history tells me much about your limited
knowledge of history and economics
cheers
john

Under your advance knowledge of history and economics we would all be speaking Russian if such a high tax rate had not been implemented from 1940 to 1980.

I cheer to you John. Dont become a John Doe.
 
Quote from jueco2005:

Yeah I am aware that's what it says, I wrote it you know. I think such a high tax rate on top rich makes things better off for the kind of system we now have and helps to create economic prosperity even for the top rich.

If it was a bad and horrible thing to capitalism how come we thrived 40, almost 50 years???

very few paid the top rate because of exemptions in the tax code.

tax rates are not the dominant determinant whether capitalism thrives.

the 1st prerequisite for thriving capitalism is the rule of law i.e. sanctity of contracts followed by a sound currency and no bailouts by the government.
 
Quote from zdreg:

very few paid the top rate because of exemptions in the tax code.

tax rates are not the only determinant whether capitalism thrives.

the 1st prerequisite for thriving capitalism is the rule of law i.e. sanctity of contracts followed by a sound currency and no bailouts by the government.

Well we are very familiar with excemptions. I agree with you on everything.
 
Quote from jueco2005:
Every time I suggest taxing the rich 80% everyone looks at me like if I am some kind of grubby looter who wants to get my hands all over what other people have worked to earn.

Fixed that for you. If you are not in the top 5%, I suggest you stop counting other peoples money. If you are in the top 5% and want to pay 80% tax, you can line up behind Bill Gates and Warren Buffet who are also in favour of such taxes. I heard a rumour that they were so sincere in their beliefs that they intend to make substantial gifts to the US Treasury to reflect the contribution they feel would be fair. Perhaps you can do likewise?

Yes, if I earn enough that I would fall into the top tax bracket intended for the most financially successful in society then this would mean I was prosperous. And savvy enough to quarter in a low tax jurisdiction. Which would improve the prosperity of the low tax jurisdiction at the expense of the high tax jurisdiction. Increasing the top tax bracket has been shown to have negligible effect on total tax revenues, while directing elsewhere the economic activity of those who choose to expatriate.

High tax rate proposals appeal generally to the simple minded and unproductive. Supporters are simple minded enough to accept a supposedly straightforward (but truly ineffective) solution to a complex problem, and unproductive enough not to be adversely affected by any change in tax policy.

When the super rich claim to be in favour, consider if their deeds are consistent with the values they claim. It might be more plausible that having made their fortunes and paid low rates of tax, they seek to leverage the power of the state in order to restrict future competition.


Trying to peddle this particular agenda on a website for traders is like trying to flog your bacon sarnies down the local Synagogue. Successful traders are not interested in subsidizing the work shy or inefficient governments. Those who are trading losers have likely earned their place with the same lack of applied thought which leads one to support such a ludicrous taxation policy.
 
Quote from jueco2005:

I believe everyone knows the 20th century was an American century. The US won 2 world wars, put a man on the moon, invented the automobile, pioneered the atom age, business flourished and the middle class was created.

Between 1940 and 1980 the average tax rate used to be around 80%. We built the interstate highway system, won WWII, fought in Korea, Vietnam and the USSR. These were also the golden years of the now vanishing middle class.

I am writing this thread to remind all of you that real economic growth can happen and its very possible under high tax rates for the RICH. America could not have become an economic and military superpower if we did not tax the rich so much.

Every time I suggest taxing the rich 80% everyone looks at me like if I am some kind of commie; but they open their jaws as big as a Florida alligator when I remind them of the 80% tax rate we used to have from 1940 to 1980.
High taxes do one thing - they fuel inefficient government spending and a systematic destruction of wealth creation potential for the masses. High taxes in our current environment will add to the exploding dysfunction of government empowerment over the people - starting more wars - adding more debt - and wasting more money that is not in the pocket of you and I.

You must be a student from Berkeley with this crock of crap.
 
Quote from jueco2005:

If you are rich you will keep on working.

Of course.
But in another country.
If you tax people too much - everybody, not just the rich - they will flee. Which is exactly what is happening in Italy right now.
 
Quote from Zen Student:


High tax rate proposals appeal generally to the simple minded and unproductive. Supporters are simple minded enough to accept a supposedly straightforward (but truly ineffective) solution to a complex problem, and unproductive enough not to be adversely affected by any change in tax policy.

Thank you for this post. I love when I discuss with people as smart and knowledgably as you are.

I only disagree a little with the 2nd paragraph. Many countries have tax rates and are one of most productive countries in the world. Countries like Canada, Germany, Sweden and Finland should be considered when taking a high tax rate approach.

They score higher than the US in the Freedom of Economic index. The US fails to provide in its free market economy more doctors per person than these countries where doctors don’t make even half of what they make in the US and they are called socialists; somehow we love to buy products from the communist Germans. But by some means we do manage to have the highest per-capita of lawyers; Yeah we need them to protect us from the tyranny of government.

So much talk about capitalism and the US is not a free economy. It is considered a mostly free economy.
 
Quote from jueco2005:

As part of my morals I regard anyone intolerant and disrespectful to be unworthy of my attention and unable to hold a smart and intelligent conversation.

Thanks for taking your time to read my post.

ROFL, You only get better with your lack of defense, and lack of proof. Ok, I used no bad words, I want to see your proof. The is you are making it up, and have no analysis. You remind me of the Union overlords, and politicians(on both sides) who make up stats with no proof, or stats that are so easy to disprove it is embarrasing.
Ok, now that I have been civil, in your terms, can you provide the basis for your facts?
 
Quote from 9999:

Of course.
But in another country.
If you tax people too much - everybody, not just the rich - they will flee. Which is exactly what is happening in Italy right now.

Well check again. I heard many Americans are leaving to find work worldwide. I might consider moving to Canada.
 
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