80% tax rate Means prosperity

Quote from jueco2005:

Thanks for your advice. I am aware of all these historical facts. However, this is not the point of my discussion. I believe high tax rates made a lot of things accomplishable. That is way many countries still use them today, especially successful European economies.

Evidently you are not, in fact, aware of the historical facts:

Federal tax receipts in 1956 were 17.5% of GDP.
Federal tax receipts fifty-two years later in 2008 were... 17.5% of GDP.

The individual income tax in 1956 constituted 43.2% of all receipts. In 2008 the figure was 45.4%. Lower marginal rates meant zilch.

The only thing that has changed tax-wise in the last fifty+ years is that corporate income taxes (what is actually paid, not the rates) have been cut by half to two thirds, while social insurance taxes (FICA) have increased by a factor of two to three. Remember that half of FICA is paid by employers. On the spending side, the problem is entirely driven by Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid.
 
Quote from d08:

Then why did you mention those things? Just BSing for fun?
The internet was widespread in the 90s, an important mainly US invention, when tax rates were much lower than the historical levels, how do you explain that?

I never said high tax rate on the rich were necessary for prosperity to occur.

I simply point out it is not the evil they want to make us believe. 1940 to 1980 was a prosperous time for America and the world where many things could not have been possible if the average tax rate wasn't so high. President Reagan and his republics cut the tax rate but they never cut the spending and now are have an un-payable national debt and growing by the minute.

Well it seems to be a high tax rate isn’t to bad and its not communism or socialism or anything people want to call it to make it unacceptable.
 
Quote from Butterball:

The marginal tax rate is not the average tax rate.

Dude please, lets keep it smart ok???

Let me explain one more time. AVERAGE TOP TAX RATE FOR THE TOP RICH.

I am not aware of the details. I simply wanted to discuss about it. If you find it usefull look deeper into it, if not, have a nice day.
 
Quote from Specterx:

Evidently you are not, in fact, aware of the historical facts:

Federal tax receipts in 1956 were 17.5% of GDP.
Federal tax receipts fifty-two years later in 2008 were... 17.5% of GDP.

The individual income tax in 1956 constituted 43.2% of all receipts. In 2008 the figure was 45.4%. Lower marginal rates meant zilch.

The only thing that has changed tax-wise in the last fifty+ years is that corporate income taxes (what is actually paid, not the rates) have been cut by half to two thirds, while social insurance taxes (FICA) have increased by a factor of two to three. Remember that half of FICA is paid by employers. On the spending side, the problem is entirely driven by Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid.

AVERAGE TOP TAX RATE FOR THE TOP RICH.

Your numbers dont make much sense. Back then Government spending was a big piece of GDP.
 
Quote from jueco2005:

AVERAGE TOP TAX RATE FOR THE TOP RICH.

Your numbers dont make much sense. Back then Government spending was a big piece of GDP.

My numbers are correct, you are merely ignorant of the facts.
 
(Chanting while hands stretched straight out in front of me...eyes closed...brain: brainwashed)...

My money belongs to my good government.
My money belongs to my good government.
My money belongs to my good government.
 
The US won 2 world wars, put a man on the moon, invented the automobile, pioneered the atom age, business flourished and the middle class was created.

which wars? name them.. WW2? tell this to russians..any russian..try that while in Russia...
go back to a history class,before you open your mouth next time. stop humiliating yourself on public.
 
Quote from jueco2005:
Between 1940 and 1980 the average tax rate used to be around 80%.
As already pointed out, this is a false statement

Quote from jueco2005:
Let me explain one more time. AVERAGE TOP TAX RATE FOR THE TOP RICH.
This is of course a whole different discussion and not what you said in your first post. In order to have a meaningful discussion you need to define "TOP RICH".

Regardless of how you define it I think you will discover that the tax rates on the middle class is much more important in overall gov't tax revenue then the tax rate on the rich.

There simply aren't that many rich people....unless you are defining top rich unconventionally.
 
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