80% On WallStreet Paid Bonuses (Thanks Taxpayers!) Unhappy w/Amount

Quote from Angrycat:

Where are your statistics to back your drivel. Somehow, I find the ramblings of some dude on a chat board not convincing

Read what I wrote you babbling idiot---

Quote from Clubber Lang:

C'mon, how many really "good workers" are there?

I would say at best maybe 5% of traders on Wall St. are exceptionally good at their jobs.

"I WOULD SAY"--Means my opinion, not factual information you dolt.

Quote from Angrycat:

Wow. Again such heady statistics from a guy with a retail account in Boise.

Boise? Lol. Sorry inbred, not even close.

P.S.-- I'll bet you $50,000 that my main retail trading account is larger than your entire net worth. Buck up or shut up (or get back to your Human Resource job interviewing college kids, piker).
 
Quote from ByLoSellHi:

You're so full of shit your eyes are brown.

I've met many people that work on Wall Street, in a variety of positions, including managerial ones, and brother, go sell your bullshit somewhere else.

It's always the insiders who are trying to peddle the bullshit about 'competent' and 'outstanding' the people they 'work with' or 'interview' are.

Incompetency on a grand scale - that's what 'Wall Street' is, where 99%+ of 'professionals' get their asses whipped by simple indexing.

Shit, Long Term Capital Management had 'nuclear physicists' on the payroll. and busted because of incompetent risk management.

I'm sure those guys were intelligent and they certainly were intelligent - competent investors deserving high compensation they obviously were not.

Save your bullshit for your next interview.


http://www.bearcave.com/bookrev/genius_fails.html

So just because a few hedge funds went bust, the rest of the Wall Streeters are as stupid and incompetent as them?

I think I have enough of media sensationalism and ignorant for the day. Have fun BuyLoSellHi
 
Quote from ByLoSellHi:

You're so full of shit your eyes are brown.

I've met many people that work on Wall Street, in a variety of positions, including managerial ones, and brother, go sell your bullshit somewhere else.

It's always the insiders who are trying to peddle the bullshit about 'competent' and 'outstanding' the people they 'work with' or 'interview' are.

Incompetency on a grand scale - that's what 'Wall Street' is, where 99%+ of 'professionals' get their asses whipped by simple indexing.

Shit, Long Term Capital Management had 'nuclear physicists' on the payroll. and busted because of incompetent risk management.

I'm sure those guys were intelligent and they certainly were intelligent - competent investors deserving high compensation they obviously were not.

Save your bullshit for your next interview.


http://www.bearcave.com/bookrev/genius_fails.html

Well, first of all, I'm not a brother. Second, I'm not an "insider". As in, I've worked for all these investment banks in the past and I have my own company which neither needs nor is eligible for taxpayer handouts. So, I eat what I kill and let's just say I eat much better now.

Idiots like you always think you know infinitely more than you do because you've "met people". LOL. That's why you regularly get your face ripped off in the market and then piss and moan about it. Meeting someone at a party doesn't make you an expert on their job.

Look, idiot, the simple truth is that when you let government have this much control over the economy, shit like this is going to happen whether you like it or not. You might consider that maybe YOU'RE not worth what you're being paid. Maybe you're not worth being paid at all - although I'm sure you'd totally disagree.
 
Quote from swtrader:

when they're living off their own earnings, no

but when they're living on A FUCKING WELFARE CHECK FROM THE TAXPAYERS, THEN YES!!!!!!

or are you too fucking stupid to get that?

Lost in the bullshit is the fact that the Morgan's and Goldman's took big hits on trades that the Fed and Treasury ASKED THEM to put on. It's not like the positions held by BCS, LEH and AIG just vanished into thin air.

Stuff like this......

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...x?guid={55ECFC34-0EB4-4B67-A3D4-95440BE8D987}

Led to this........

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122202739111460721.html?mod=todays_us_page_one
 
Quote from Clubber Lang:

Read what I wrote you babbling idiot---

Reading your idiotic drivel again won't improve its content.

Quote from Clubber Lang:


"I WOULD SAY"--Means my opinion, not factual information you dolt.

I didn't ask you for facts, moron. I asked you to back your idiotic assertion that only 5% of traders on Wall Street are any good. That is, on what do you base this assertion? The fact that you think that you're an "elite" trader because you post on a message board with "elite" in the title? Not good enough, sparky.


Quote from Clubber Lang:


P.S.-- I'll bet you $50,000 that my main retail trading account is larger than your entire net worth. Buck up or shut up (or get back to your Human Resource job interviewing college kids, piker).

LOL! I would take that bet. However, I don't think you have $50K and I don't do business with idiots who are poor credit risks.
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Lost in the bullshit is the fact that the Morgan's and Goldman's took big hits on trades that the Fed and Treasury ASKED THEM to put on. It's not like the positions held by BCS, LEH and AIG just vanished into thin air.

Stuff like this......

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...x?guid={55ECFC34-0EB4-4B67-A3D4-95440BE8D987}

Led to this........

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122202739111460721.html?mod=todays_us_page_one

Exactly why government should have no hand in banking or any other economic entity at all. The government should be restricted to maintaining Rule of Law and common defense. It's barely competent to do that.

Once the government is in the position to decide which businesses fail and which survive, you get the fucked up economies of Europe and the Soviet Union. All private enterprise turns from profit seeking to rent seeking and efficiency and wealth creation become distant memories. All the taxpayers will be able to do about it is gripe.
 
Angrycat, your credibility amounts to pissing in a hurricane when anyone can follow the simple advice of Malkiel or David Swenson, and save themselves the inefficiencies, expenses, aggravations and arrogance of working with Wall Street Jackoffs like you.

Face it, Wall Street is becoming a Vestigial Organ, and you can hear the bell for whom it tolls - those caught up in the demise of your profession.

This massive hollowing out process of brokers and advisors is only the beginning, and it's structural.

Good luck to you and your cohorts.

http://www.vanguard.com.au/Personal...on_Indexing_strikes_a_chord/indexdl_2651.aspx

http://seekingalpha.com/article/41738-how-to-invest-like-yale-s-david-swensen
 
Quote from traderyin:

So just because a few hedge funds went bust, the rest of the Wall Streeters are as stupid and incompetent as them?

Look, in reality, most Wall Street "professionals" might as well be selling used cars, cause all they can really do well is bullsh*t.

Any individual truly talented & not a crooked piece of sh*t leaves those firms.
 
these bonuses are the reasons these wall street employeess especially senior manageemnt started to cheat to get the bonuses.

cheat to get bonuses. they lie break rules to get more revenues to get the bonuses.

million dollar plus bonuses in wall street is an incentive to cheat on the balance sheets and taking very risky bets that bankrupt the banks and investment banks.


Quote from ByLoSellHi:

You'd think these morons would be happy to get anything after the biggest crash since 1929, and in a year where hard working Americans saw their 401(k)s cut into half or a third, retirees lost the bulk of their life savings, almost three million Americans lost their jobs, and there is absolutely nothing the average person can do as they see their tax dollars expropriated and given to motherf$%@^cker in New York who are apparently untouchable no matter how GROSSLY INCOMPETENT they are.

I have NO SYMPATHY for ANYONE who works on Wall Street. Michael Lewis is spot on; Crooks and Liars, all the way.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=acmnZa01tgN0&refer=home

Wall Street Workers Still Get Bonuses, Many Unhappy, Poll Finds
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By Christine Harper

Jan. 27 (Bloomberg) --
About 79 percent of Wall Street employees responding to an online poll this month said they received a bonus for 2008, more than the 66 percent who expected to get a reward in October, according to eFinancialCareers.Com.

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Of the people who said they received a bonus, 46 percent said it was higher than last year, eFinancialCareers, a unit of Dice Holdings Inc., said in an e-mailed statement. About 900 U.S. users of the financial jobs Web site responded to the survey conducted Jan. 7-12. In October, 1,300 people responded, and 36 percent said than that they anticipated a higher bonus.

Wall Street’s system of paying year-end bonuses to reward workers is under criticism after the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression led to record losses and forced the government to pump taxpayer money into banks. Still, 46 percent of people responding to the poll said they were dissatisfied with their bonus.

“What it shows is the bonus culture is very deep-set in the securities industry,” said John Benson, founder and chief executive officer of the Web site. “There’s an entitlement culture amongst a number of people in the industry, which I think in the current environment is very misplaced.”

Most of the people who said they were unhappy with their bonus, 89 percent, had five years or less experience, the survey found.

Merrill Lynch & Co., which was acquired by Bank of America Corp. this year and has reported six straight quarters of losses, reduced 2008 compensation by 6 percent to $15 billion from $15.9 billion in 2007. Year-end bonuses typically account for the majority of compensation.

Flexibility

“I have been a defender of the bonus system in the past because it provides banks with a degree of flexibility on their cost structure,” Benson said. “I think most people on Main Street would say their organization incurred losses of this size that very few people in the organization if anybody would receive bonuses at all.”

Most of the people who reported a drop in their bonus said it fell between 11 percent and 50 percent, while the biggest portion of increases were 10 percent or less, the survey found.

Many firms instituted changes to their bonus systems and reduced average compensation as revenue fell. The most senior executives at firms including Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley turned down bonuses.

Firms including Morgan Stanley, Credit Suisse Group AG and UBS AG also have added so-called clawback provisions that set aside portions of workers’ bonuses that can be recouped in later years if an employee leaves or is found to have behaved in ways that are harmful to the company.

“You’ve got as good an opportunity today as you’re ever going to have for this culture to change,” said Benson. “There needs to be a clearer risk-reward balance, rather than reward- reward.”
 
Quote from poyayan:

Correct, but they took the money and they took a lot! 700B of them.

Yes, you should paid employee fairly and earn a profit. If you can't earn a profit, then you can't afford your employees. Let alone bonus.

You are correct. My problem is with the bailout. Any banks or wall street comps which are healthy are saints right now. I sincerely wish they do VERY well in the future and kick BAC, C, chase to the dirt.

I totally agree with you, poyayan. Unfortunately, when BAC, C, et. al. get kicked to the dirt, they just receive windfalls from their water carriers in congress. That means the losers will always win and the real winners will always be forced to pay for the losers. This also means that to survive, you don't have to be competitive, wise and innovative, you only need to be politically connected. For these reasons, I think we've been sold a load of crap by Paulson and Bernanke. The bailouts are far worse than the alternative of just letting the banks fail.
 
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