$75 Trillion donation

sure

take from the rich and give to the poor


then just go ahead and take what little freedom we have left, then we can just end America and all just give up

i mean why the fuck not
 
I could not have said it better...

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sure

take from the rich and give to the poor


then just go ahead and take what little freedom we have left, then we can just end America and all just give up

i mean why the fuck not
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Quote from TheMan:

sure

take from the rich and give to the poor


then just go ahead and take what little freedom we have left, then we can just end America and all just give up

i mean why the fuck not
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you're assuming the rich didn't take it from the poor to begin with.I guess the endless bailouts was a pretty good deal in your mind. i mean fuck why not they deserve it. how much wealth do think one is capable of without political help. don't worry you're freedom to be robbed blind is secure
 
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I am not quite so sure about this...There are antitrust laws for corporations that evolve into such big entities that they control markets and policy.

Wasn't Microsoft an example of this? Was there a case study on this?...These are honest questions and I may be learning something here.

I am not real comfortable exchanging the corporate drive for efficiency and market share for a political team of humans hungry for power, even if they have a vison of equalizing the rich and the poor...and even if they are elected by the people.

I am not a fan of egalitarianism.

ES

P.S. When I lived and operated a company in Socialist Sweden for five years, I often asked myself...why work? There are so many people brainwashed and supressed over there and I marveled at how they blindly followed the governments decisions for them. I eventually left Sweden with my Swedish wife as I missed having the hope of financial independence. Sweden has come a long way in eliminating that hope...but alas.. everybody has a good life...By the way... Monopolies are legal over there...but the government decides that.. HeHe
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I don't know what country you live in now. But here in America the corporations spend 50+ billion on lobbing congress. Do you thing the money is being spent to keep markets fair or "free" . The corporations are the government by proxy. Goldman sacs has had a person either in the top spot of the treasury or fed (or both) for the last 13 years. Research Monsanto and the FDA. In America buying votes is called free speech. Corporations fought at the supreme court level for this right, but according to your logic it must be for free markets (man those free market are expensive).
The record of corporations ( think Enron, Tyco, Worldcom, savings and loans etc) have just has just as much" hunger for power" as any government official. In fact actually do some research you'll find that the same people rotate from Gov. to Corp. and vice versa. I wouldn't even know how to distinguish the two.

So my point still stands weather you like it or not there is going to be social organization (engineering) Do you want to have a say in it or not.It's not perfect but if left to a few people ( concentration of wealth) has always led to tyranny without exception. But that's only if you use history as a resource.


Realize that money, stocks and bonds, etc are not wealth they are merely paper claims on wealth. Wealth is taking resources from earth and using mental and physical labor to turn it into something that increases the standard of living. Paper claims on wealth are inventions of social organization (engineering) When the vast amount of wealth has been sucked up by the institutions that only create paper claims on wealth without producing anything tangible themselves. It must come form social organization ( like the legal and financial systems). In this way " social engineering has redistributed wealth from the wealth creators to the paper claim creators.
 
After reading your most excellent post with your good points.

I choose Corporations over Government.

The smaller we can make governement the better. This is just my stupid opinion after living for 52 years in the USA (I took 5 years in Sweden, but returned happily)

I do not think some people realize what they are asking for...Some see that big government is the wrong path to go down and many are already regretting this era....

ES

So my point still stands weather you like it or not there is going to be social organization (engineering) Do you want to have a say in it or not.It's not perfect but if left to a few people ( concentration of wealth) has always led to tyranny without exception. But that's only if you use history as a resource.
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Quote from ElectricSavant:

After reading your most excellent post with your good points.

I choose Corporations over Government.

The smaller we can make governement the better. This is just my stupid opinion after living for 52 years in the USA (I took 5 years in Sweden, but returned happily)

ES
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which means if you live in america you chose government.

why do you think it has to be one extreme or the other?
there are more then 2 political ideas
 
My dream for the United States of America ("I have a dream...:D "). Abolish all govt spending in the USA apart for some defence and also some for law enforcement/court/prison system.

Next abolish all taxes in the USA apart from a 5% consumption tax.

Repudiate all debt.

Hang Bernanke from the nearest tree.

Live happily ever after.
 
Well I just do not believe in big Government regardless of which idea is put forward.

Heck....I am not even a member of my Homeowners Association as I do not like to make decisions for my neighbors...

ES


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which means if you live in america you chose government.

why do you think it has to be one extreme or the other?
there are more then 2 political ideas
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