$73,000 for a 1 night stay in hospital because of a snake bite

Are there any not for profit health insurance companies over there?
We even have some of them in australia. I dont know the details of how they operate though
 
Quote from hoodooman:

A guy is dying of thirst in the desert. He spots a saloon ahead and keeps crawling till he gets there.

He crawls in and asked the bartender for a glass of water. The bartender says that they don't have water but he will sell the dying man a beer.

The man says he doesn't have any money and that he is dying and would the barkeep give him a beer.

The bartender refuses and about that time the man spots a spittoon under the bar, crawls to it and starts drinking.

The bartender is disgusted and tells the man to stop and he will give him a beer.

The man keeps on drinking and drinking and finally finishes the spitoon.

The bartender asked the man why he didn't stop, to which the man replies.

"I couldn't it was all in one piece."

:confused: :confused: :confused:
 
Quote from truehawk:

I recently came across this 2000 article from the Journal of the American Medical Association, which had been removed from their website.

Seems that medical negligence was the third leading cause of death in the US.

This Journal of the American Medical Association article illuminates the failure of the U.S. medical system in providing decent medical care for Americans.


In spite of the rising health care costs that provide the illusion of improving health care, the American people do not enjoy good health, compared with their counterparts in the industrialized nations. Among thirteen countries including Japan, Sweden, France and Canada, the U.S. was ranked 12th, based on the measurement of 16 health indicators such as life expectancy, low-birth-weight averages and infant mortality. In another comparison reported by the World Health Organization that used a different set of health indicators, the U.S. also fared poorly with a ranking of 15 among 25 industrialized nations.

Although many people attribute poor health to the bad habits of the American public, Starfield (2000) points out that the Americans do not lead an unhealthy lifestyle compared to their counterparts. For example, only 28 percent of the male population in the U.S. smoked, thus making it the third best nation in the category of smoking among the 13 industrialized nations. The U.S. population also achieved a high ranking (5th best) for alcohol consumption. In the category of men aged 50 to 70 years, the U.S. had the third lowest mean cholesterol concentrations among 13 industrialized nations. Therefore, the perception that the American public’s poor health is a result of their negative health habits is false.

Even more significantly, the medical system has played a large role in undermining the health of Americans. According to several research studies in the last decade, a total of 225,000 Americans per year have died as a result of their medical treatments:
• 12,000 deaths per year due to unnecessary surgery

• 7000 deaths per year due to medication errors in hospitals

• 20,000 deaths per year due to other errors in hospitals

• 80,000 deaths per year due to infections in hospitals

• 106,000 deaths per year due to negative effects of drugs

Thus, America's healthcare-system-induced deaths are the third leading cause of the death in the U.S., after heart disease and cancer.

One of the key problems of the U.S. health system is that as many as 40 million people in the U.S. do not have access to healthcare. The social and economic inequalities that are an integral part of American society are mirrored in the inequality of access to the health care system. Essentially, families of low socioeconomic status are cut off from receiving a decent level of health care.

By citing these statistics, Starfield (2000) highlights the need to examine the type of health care provided to the U.S. population. The traditional medical paradigm that emphasizes the use of prescription medicine and medical treatment has not only failed to improve the health of Americans, but also led to the decline in the overall well-being of Americans. Starfield’s (2000) comparison of the medical systems of Japan and the U.S. captures the fundamental differences in the treatment approach. Unlike the U.S., Japan has the healthiest population among the industrialized nations. Instead of relying on sophisticated technology and professional personnel for medical treatment as in the U.S., Japan uses its technology solely for diagnostic purposes. Furthermore, in Japan, family members, rather than hospital staff, are involved in caring for the patients.

The success of the Japanese medical system testifies to the dire need for Americans to alter their philosophical approach towards health and treatment. In the blind reliance on drugs, surgery, technology and medical establishments, the American medical system has inflicted more harm than good on the U.S. population. Starfield’s (2000) article is invaluable in unveiling the catastrophic effects of the medical treatments provided to the American people. In order to improve the medical system, American policymakers and the medical establishment need to adopt a comprehensive approach and critically examine the failure of the richest country in the world to provide decent health care for its people. The reason that they have difficulty doing that is explained on the following page.

http://www.world-prosperity.org/hea.............they dont tell you the whole truth.
 
Quote from Mercor:

Canada and austrialia have only 20 million people. Equal to metro New York city.
Much less complicated to pay for a health system for 20 million then for 350 million.

Just nitpicking, but Canada has 33 Million people, roughly the population of the state of California.
 
Quote from KINGOFSHORTS:

How much to people pay in taxes over their lifetimes in those countries compared to the US?

The increase in taxes doesn't even come close to the amount of money you pay for healthcare. Check out some of the other healthcare threads for this discussion.
 
Quote from peilthetraveler:

Interesting...so if I am out in the desert and I meet a man that is dying of thirst, I could theoretically give him a bottle of water, then bill him later for 100,000 dollars and he would HAVE to pay it because i saved his life. Right? I mean i could sue the guy later on after he is out of the desert and force him to pay me 100k for that bottle of water because at the time, it was "fair market value" for the water (I was the only supply so i get to demand however much I wanted) On top of that, I dont tell him the price of the water until AFTER he has drank it.

Sounds completely fair and just like the healthcare system.

Your example is completely unreasonable, but the concept is quite true. The hospitals have to charge an amount that is at least somewhat comparable to other places (you can't charge $1,000,000,000 for a snake bite for example).

If you live in an area with few or one hospital within reasonable range, you have to pay what they charge and have no other options.
 
Quote from axehawk:

Just nitpicking, but Canada has 33 Million people, roughly the population of the state of California.

Wasn't sure if you count the French.
:p
 
Just like auto insurance,everybody needs health insurance.Nobody should be walking around with out it.This way cost will come down for all.People must be penalized for using ER for cold,flu or sore throat. ER must be meant for real emergency.OB,ORTHO,ANESTHESIA pay yearly malpractice over $200k,thats why we need tort reforms,so greedy lawyers will be kept at bay,and medical cost will further come down.Just cursing at doctors only for higher cost is not fair.My brother who is a doctor,has $300k medical school loan.So medical school should also be cheaper,if you want cost lower
 
Quote from axehawk:

And to think that there are dumbass Americans standing & screaming at these "townhall meetings" that they don't want government-run health care. LOL.

If I get bit by a rattlesnake in Canada,
I doesn't cost me one cent.
:D
+1
 
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