$73,000 for a 1 night stay in hospital because of a snake bite

Quote from Landis82:

Way too low of an estimate.
Ever gotten a bill from an an anesthesiologist before?

You'd be shocked and stunned.
And then shocked again.

Just quoting you because you reminded me about anesthesiologists. Most of them around here don't take insurance. Not very possible to have a surgery without using one, though. Just one more thing that's broken.
 
Quote from Alexis:

Would have cost about 300 usd in Belgium.

Drawback? We pay 50% tax on our incomes.

No typo, no BS here, 48% on average.

50% is a drawback? be happy...let's do some simple math for average USA joe...
25% federal taxes(family with 65-130K income),6% state,13% SS tax:=44 already...then there is local taxes,school taxes,real estate taxes,medical insurance,how much is the total?
the system is f* to the core. it's all starts from cost of education.
but wait..there is more...now they saying -we will tax you even more...
 
A guy is dying of thirst in the desert. He spots a saloon ahead and keeps crawling till he gets there.

He crawls in and asked the bartender for a glass of water. The bartender says that they don't have water but he will sell the dying man a beer.

The man says he doesn't have any money and that he is dying and would the barkeep give him a beer.

The bartender refuses and about that time the man spots a spittoon under the bar, crawls to it and starts drinking.

The bartender is disgusted and tells the man to stop and he will give him a beer.

The man keeps on drinking and drinking and finally finishes the spitoon.

The bartender asked the man why he didn't stop, to which the man replies.

"I couldn't it was all in one piece."
 
Quote from Bob111:

50% is a drawback? be happy...let's do some simple math for average USA joe...
25% federal taxes(family with 65-130K income),6% state,13% SS tax:=44 already...then there is local taxes,school taxes,real estate taxes,medical insurance,how much is the total?
the system is f* to the core. it's all starts from cost of education.
but wait..there is more...now they saying -we will tax you even more...

I was met with disbelief when I posted this concept earlier...

However, if I were to start a small business and have it earn $100,000... under the proposed higher Obama Federal income tax rates.. and if I paid my RE taxes out of it... and spent the balance where it would be subjected to our 8.3% sales tax... I could pay up to $68,000 in various taxes of the $100K.

And of course, "taxes have to go up".

At what point do producers just say FUCKIT?
 
Quote from trefoil:

There's a moral in there somewhere...

Yeah, there's immoral in there somewhere... :eek:

Dr. John McDougall, whose simple program of eating a whole foods plant-based diet reverses heart disease, adult-onset diabetes, high cholesterol, and high blood pressure within just couple of weeks tells this enlightening story, which illustrates one of the biggest problems with our current approach to health "care":

In 1986 I was invited by the administration of the Seventh Day Adventist St. Helena Hospital in Napa Valley, California to run the McDougall Program as their lifestyle residential program. This was a good match because their founding religion believes in a vegetarian diet and a healthy lifestyle. (I am not an Adventist.) This hospital was also considered one of the best heart surgery centers in the country. Even then it seemed odd to me to invite a doctor who is against most heart surgeries to work at a hospital that makes 80% of its income from heart disease.

Now that I was working at a respected hospital, I figured, I might be able to get medical insurance to pay for patients to attend my program. I approached several well-known companies. I argued that our program could treat heart patients at a fraction of the cost of bypass surgery ($4,000 vs. $100,000). No matter how hard I tried to convince them, the sale was impossible.

A representative from one large insurer told me that they were not interested in my approach because it required the cooperation of the patient, and all the bypass surgeon had to do to relieve chest pain was to get the patient to willingly lie down on the table. They apparently had little faith in patients’ judgment and willpower.

I countered, “But, some patients will change their diet and they deserve this alternative.”

After some contesting I finally got the real answer, “McDougall you just don’t get it. As an insurance company we take a piece of the pie and the bigger the pie the more we get.”
 
"Going to the doctor for strep throat would cost $65-$70. In the ER, it's $600 to $800,"
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Why the big difference?
 
Quote from Landis82:

There are some PRIMARY care physicians in Seattle that have gone to a "flat-rate" form of care and everyone seems to be happy. You can walk-in as many times as you want, and you pay a flat rate from $39 to $119 per month. They are open 12 hours a day, and Saturday's too.

Since they get rid of the "middleman" ( the insurance companies ) they don't have to watch .50 cents of every patient's $1.00 go towards the medical billing "paper-chase" that ensues.

Seems to be an interesting "model" for sure . . .

http://www.reuters.com/article/smallBusinessNews/idUSTRE5660N620090708



Excellent point and I see this area of health care growing by leaps and bounds and benefits everybody. At our local target a group of nurse practitioners opened a office to treat minor ailments and flu shots and the like. For a flat fee of 30 bucks or something. Excellent source of care opened 7 days a week from 7am to 7pm.
 
Quote from Alexis:

Would have cost about 300 usd in Belgium.

Drawback? We pay 50% tax on our incomes.

No typo, no BS here, 48% on average.

Still have the Douane, and the VAT at 25%?
 
Quote from peilthetraveler:

People become doctors because they say they want to save peoples lives. How do they save lives if the people they save are now slaves to that debt? Arent they really just putting people into slavery?

I think with these prices pretty soon in America being a doctor will be looked down on as much as lawyers and prostitution mixed into one.

Ah. The answer is right here. The prostitute could have sucked the poison out for 300, and the lawyer could sue the snake, although in court, who could tell the snake from the lawyer?

Anyway, you cut the Doctor out.
 
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