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Quote from nazzdack:
Did "it" start on September 1, 1939 or did "it" start as a result of the hyperinflation in Germany during the mid-1920's?:eek:
I believe Germany's "official" position was that they wanted "German people to have room to live"... by taking over bits/ALL of Europe. An age-old them of "take the other guy's land and stuff if you can"...
Quote from Petsamo:
You're anti-American trash aren't you!
Yes, it was the Soviet Union that beat the US in reaching Berlin. US could have gone into Berlin. Certainly it wasn't Russia that beat Japan and developed the atomic bomb.
I don't agree with you much but on this you're correct.
Two things were at work here:
1 - Eisenhower vetoed Patton's plan to surround and cut off the German forces in the Battle of the Bulge, which would have allowed the Western Allies to go straight to Berlin with nothing to stop them. Instead he forced a push head on. This is pure speculation on my part, but I think it was because he didn't want any German to think, as they did after WWI, that they could have somehow won. I think he wanted to grind them up so there was no question who lost.
2 - The USSR lost a huge number of men, way more than the West. Of course, a large part of the blame for this lies with Stalin's betrayal of everyone with his non-aggression pact with Hitler. Also, it was the Americans who supplied them with the logistical equipment - Ford trucks - they needed to beat Hitler, their own railroads having been largely destroyed by the Germans. Not to mention fighting Japan in the Pacific, allowing the USSR to concentrate on the Germans. We and the British fought in Europe and Asia, while the USSR fought strictly in Europe until close to the end. Still, they could and did argue, successfully, that they be allowed to get to Berlin first as a result of the losses they had taken. It was pure politics, not at all a result of military facts on the ground.
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Quote from nazzdack:
Did "it" start on September 1, 1939 or did "it" start as a result of the hyperinflation in Germany during the mid-1920's?
Some would argue that it started with the Japanese vs. China war in the 30's. But September 1, 1939 is the most commonly referred to start date as that is when the war began to affect Europe.
Similar to the way in which some people regard the end of the war as being when the Nazi's were defeated, as opposed to Japan.
The only thing that kept Russia from being overrun by the Germans was the harsh winter, German ground mechanical units froze and the fact that the Germans had to split their forces even more so after D-Day defending two active fronts.
Europe and Asia was a mess until the USA entered WWII
In a sense it was, WWI started with the assisination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.
WWII was a direct result of and a continuation of WWI.
this always makes me laugh: What if World War II was an Online Multiplayer Game:
*Hitler[AoE] has joined the game.*
*Eisenhower has joined the game.*
*paTTon has joined the game.*
*MacRthr has joined the game. *
*Churchill has joined the game.*
*benny-tow has joined the game.*
*T0J0 has joined the game.*
*Roosevelt has joined the game.*
*Stalin has joined the game.*
*deGaulle has joined the game.*
Roosevelt: hey sup
T0J0: y0
Stalin: hi
Churchill: hi
Hitler[AoE]: cool, i start with panzer tanks!
paTTon: lol more like panzy tanks
T0JO: lol
Roosevelt: o this fuckin sucks i got a depression!
benny-tow: haha america sux
Stalin: hey hitler you dont fight me i dont fight u, cool?
Hitler[AoE]; sure whatever
Stalin: cool
deGaulle: shit Hitler rushed some1 help
Hitler[AoE]: lol byebye frenchy
Roosevelt: i dont got shit to help, sry
Churchill: wtf the luftwaffle is attacking me
Roosevelt: get antiair guns
Churchill: i cant afford them
benny-tow: u n00bs know what team talk is?
paTTon: stfu
Roosevelt: o yah hit the navajo button guys
deGaulle: eisenhower ur worthless come help me quick
Eisenhower: i cant do shit til rosevelt gives me an army
paTTon: yah hurry the fuck up
Churchill: d00d im gettin pounded
deGaulle: this is fuckin weak u guys suck
*deGaulle has left the game.*
Roosevelt: im gonna attack the axis k?
benny-tow: with what? ur wheelchair?
benny-tow: lol did u mess up ur legs AND ur head?
Hitler[AoE]: ROFLMAO
T0J0: lol o no america im comin 4 u
Roosevelt: wtf! thats bulshit u fags im gunna kick ur asses
T0JO: not without ur harbors u wont! lol
Roosevelt: u little bitch ill get u
T0J0: mac i'm totally kicking ur ass
MacRthr: BRB AFK
Hitler[AoE]: wtf
Hitler[AoE]: america hax, u had depression and now u got a huge fuckin army
Hitler[AoE]: thats bullshit u hacker
Churchill: lol no more france for u hitler
Hitler[AoE]: tojo help me!
T0J0: wtf u want me to do, im on the other side of the world retard
Hitler[AoE]: fine ill clear you a path
Stalin: WTF u asshoel! WE HAD A FUCKIN TRUCE
Hitler[AoE]: i changed my mind lol
benny-tow: haha
benny-tow: hey ur losing ur guys in africa im gonna need help in italy soon sum1
T0J0: o shit i cant help u i got my hands full
Hitler[AoE]: im 2 busy 2 help
Roosevelt: yah thats right bitch im comin for ya
Stalin: church help me
Churchill: like u helped me before? sure ill just sit here
Stalin: dont be an ass
Churchill: dont be a commie. oops too late
Eisenhower: LOL
benny-tow: hahahh oh shit help
Hitler: o man ur fucked
paTTon: oh what now bitch
Roosevelt: whos the cripple now lol
*benny-tow has been eliminated.*
benny-tow: lame
Roosevelt: gj patton
paTTon: thnx
Hitler[AoE]: WTF eisenhower hax hes killing all my shit!
Hitler[AoE]: quit u hacker so u dont ruin my record
Eisenhower: Nuts!
benny~tow: wtf that mean?
Eisenhower: meant to say nutsack lol finger slipped
paTTon: coming to get u hitler u paper hanging hun fucking asshole
Stalin: rofl
T0J0: HAHAHHAA
Hitler[AoE]: u guys are fuckin gay
Hitler[AoE]: ur never getting in my city
*Hitler[AoE] has been eliminated.*
benny~tow: OMG u noob you killed yourself
Eisenhower: ROFLOLOLOL
Stalin: OMG LMAO!
Hitler[AoE]: WTF i didnt click there omg this game blows
*Hitler[AoE] has left the game*
paTTon: hahahhah
T0J0: WTF my teammates are n00bs
benny~tow: shut up noob
Roosevelt: haha wut a moron
paTTon: wtf am i gunna do now?
Eisenhower: yah me too
T0J0: why dont u attack me o thats right u dont got no ships lololol
Eisenhower: fuck u
paTTon: lemme go thru ur base commie
Stalin: go to hell lol
paTTon: fuck this shit im goin afk
Eisenhower: yah this is gay
MacRthr: k back!
*Roosevelt has left the game.*
Hitler[AoE]: wtf?
Eisenhower: shit now we need some1 to join
*tru_m4n has joined the game.*
tru_m4n: hi all
T0J0: hey
Stalin: sup
Churchill: hi
tru_m4n: OMG OMG OMG i got all his stuff!
tru_m4n: NUKES! HOLY SHIT I GOT NUKES
Stalin: d00d gimmie some plz
tru_m4n: no way i only got like a couple
Stalin: omg dont be gay gimmie nuculer secrets
T0J0: wtf is nukes?
T0J0: holy shit holy shit hoyl shit!
*T0J0 has been eliminated.*
*The Allied team has won the game!*
Eisenhower: awesome!
Churchill: gg noobs no re
T0J0: thats bullshit u fuckin suck
*T0J0 has left the game.*
*Eisenhower has left the game.*
Stalin: next game im not going to be on ur team, u guys didnt help me for shit
Churchill: wutever, we didnt need ur help neway assholes
tru_m4n: l8r all
benny~tow: bye
Churchill: l8r
Stalin: fuck u all
MacRthr: fuck u commie!!!
MacRthr: ur next bitch!
tru_m4n: shut up commie lol
*tru_m4n has left the game.*
benny~tow: lololol u commie
Churchill: ROFL
Churchill: bye commie
*Churchill has left the game.*
*benny~tow has left the game.*
*MacRthr has left the game.*
Stalin: i hate u all fags
*Stalin has left the game.*
paTTon: lol no1 is left
paTTon: weeeee i got a jeep
*paTTon has been eliminated.*
paTTon: o shit!
*paTTon has left the game.*
*Hitler[AoE] has joined the game.*
*Eisenhower has joined the game.*
*paTTon has joined the game.*
*MacRthr has joined the game. *
*Churchill has joined the game.*
*benny-tow has joined the game.*
*T0J0 has joined the game.*
*Roosevelt has joined the game.*
*Stalin has joined the game.*
*deGaulle has joined the game.*
Roosevelt: hey sup
T0J0: y0
Stalin: hi
Churchill: hi
Hitler[AoE]: cool, i start with panzer tanks!
paTTon: lol more like panzy tanks
T0JO: lol
Roosevelt: o this fuckin sucks i got a depression!
benny-tow: haha america sux
Stalin: hey hitler you dont fight me i dont fight u, cool?
Hitler[AoE]; sure whatever
Stalin: cool
deGaulle: shit Hitler rushed some1 help
Hitler[AoE]: lol byebye frenchy
Roosevelt: i dont got shit to help, sry
Churchill: wtf the luftwaffle is attacking me
Roosevelt: get antiair guns
Churchill: i cant afford them
benny-tow: u n00bs know what team talk is?
paTTon: stfu
Roosevelt: o yah hit the navajo button guys
deGaulle: eisenhower ur worthless come help me quick
Eisenhower: i cant do shit til rosevelt gives me an army
paTTon: yah hurry the fuck up
Churchill: d00d im gettin pounded
deGaulle: this is fuckin weak u guys suck
*deGaulle has left the game.*
Roosevelt: im gonna attack the axis k?
benny-tow: with what? ur wheelchair?
benny-tow: lol did u mess up ur legs AND ur head?
Hitler[AoE]: ROFLMAO
T0J0: lol o no america im comin 4 u
Roosevelt: wtf! thats bulshit u fags im gunna kick ur asses
T0JO: not without ur harbors u wont! lol
Roosevelt: u little bitch ill get u
T0J0: mac i'm totally kicking ur ass
MacRthr: BRB AFK
Hitler[AoE]: wtf
Hitler[AoE]: america hax, u had depression and now u got a huge fuckin army
Hitler[AoE]: thats bullshit u hacker
Churchill: lol no more france for u hitler
Hitler[AoE]: tojo help me!
T0J0: wtf u want me to do, im on the other side of the world retard
Hitler[AoE]: fine ill clear you a path
Stalin: WTF u asshoel! WE HAD A FUCKIN TRUCE
Hitler[AoE]: i changed my mind lol
benny-tow: haha
benny-tow: hey ur losing ur guys in africa im gonna need help in italy soon sum1
T0J0: o shit i cant help u i got my hands full
Hitler[AoE]: im 2 busy 2 help
Roosevelt: yah thats right bitch im comin for ya
Stalin: church help me
Churchill: like u helped me before? sure ill just sit here
Stalin: dont be an ass
Churchill: dont be a commie. oops too late
Eisenhower: LOL
benny-tow: hahahh oh shit help
Hitler: o man ur fucked
paTTon: oh what now bitch
Roosevelt: whos the cripple now lol
*benny-tow has been eliminated.*
benny-tow: lame
Roosevelt: gj patton
paTTon: thnx
Hitler[AoE]: WTF eisenhower hax hes killing all my shit!
Hitler[AoE]: quit u hacker so u dont ruin my record
Eisenhower: Nuts!
benny~tow: wtf that mean?
Eisenhower: meant to say nutsack lol finger slipped
paTTon: coming to get u hitler u paper hanging hun fucking asshole
Stalin: rofl
T0J0: HAHAHHAA
Hitler[AoE]: u guys are fuckin gay
Hitler[AoE]: ur never getting in my city
*Hitler[AoE] has been eliminated.*
benny~tow: OMG u noob you killed yourself
Eisenhower: ROFLOLOLOL
Stalin: OMG LMAO!
Hitler[AoE]: WTF i didnt click there omg this game blows
*Hitler[AoE] has left the game*
paTTon: hahahhah
T0J0: WTF my teammates are n00bs
benny~tow: shut up noob
Roosevelt: haha wut a moron
paTTon: wtf am i gunna do now?
Eisenhower: yah me too
T0J0: why dont u attack me o thats right u dont got no ships lololol
Eisenhower: fuck u
paTTon: lemme go thru ur base commie
Stalin: go to hell lol
paTTon: fuck this shit im goin afk
Eisenhower: yah this is gay
MacRthr: k back!
*Roosevelt has left the game.*
Hitler[AoE]: wtf?
Eisenhower: shit now we need some1 to join
*tru_m4n has joined the game.*
tru_m4n: hi all
T0J0: hey
Stalin: sup
Churchill: hi
tru_m4n: OMG OMG OMG i got all his stuff!
tru_m4n: NUKES! HOLY SHIT I GOT NUKES
Stalin: d00d gimmie some plz
tru_m4n: no way i only got like a couple
Stalin: omg dont be gay gimmie nuculer secrets
T0J0: wtf is nukes?
T0J0: holy shit holy shit hoyl shit!
*T0J0 has been eliminated.*
*The Allied team has won the game!*
Eisenhower: awesome!
Churchill: gg noobs no re
T0J0: thats bullshit u fuckin suck
*T0J0 has left the game.*
*Eisenhower has left the game.*
Stalin: next game im not going to be on ur team, u guys didnt help me for shit
Churchill: wutever, we didnt need ur help neway assholes
tru_m4n: l8r all
benny~tow: bye
Churchill: l8r
Stalin: fuck u all
MacRthr: fuck u commie!!!
MacRthr: ur next bitch!
tru_m4n: shut up commie lol
*tru_m4n has left the game.*
benny~tow: lololol u commie
Churchill: ROFL
Churchill: bye commie
*Churchill has left the game.*
*benny~tow has left the game.*
*MacRthr has left the game.*
Stalin: i hate u all fags
*Stalin has left the game.*
paTTon: lol no1 is left
paTTon: weeeee i got a jeep
*paTTon has been eliminated.*
paTTon: o shit!
*paTTon has left the game.*