72,000,000 people have no savings!

[volpunter]

in case you are a little behind the news, here it is for you: You may as homo have issues entering Indiana in the future (not sure you express interest in Indiana but sexual orientation wise this must be a burning topic for you). The toll booth right at the border may reject you entering the state. Thank Mr. Pence for that.

Huh?

 

[d08]

I didn't say the US solved any problems.

In regards to paying, why don't we tally up all the money the US spends on foreign aid (or anything else around the world) including defense, etc. and then see who comes close?

I will agree that the US does more harm than good, and I would personally love to see it go back to pre-WWII isolationist tendency.

The only number that matters is "aid per capita" or aid adjusted for GNI. In the latter category, US is nowhere near the top, according to OECD in 2013, US had a ratio of 0.19%, coming in at number 20 in the OECD countries list.
Even Portugal contributed more while having very severe economic problems.
And should you adjust for the aid given to Israel (I guess Israel can have yet another war so part of the US taxpayer money comes back to US defense firms), the number might look even weaker.

I always hear Americans talk about "how much we give", yet factually that is not the case.
Of course you can compare US to Nigeria or Pakistan but it's not particularly fair to compare to the 3rd world.
For the record, I'm not trying to claim US hasn't done any good, just trying to keep people grounded in the truth or close to it.

 

[Tsing Tao]

foreign aid? Wait, aid implies someone is helped. Could you please point us to a risen living standard as a result of US aid? Of course other than Israel into which you pump billions each and every year since Abraham. There are some I am sure but let's at least stay honest and let's all agree US foreign aid is to buy favors in terms of military or general political favor. Most people call that bribe not aid. Helping someone should be a selfless act, at least last time I checked the dictionary.

Here is a list of countries that receive aid from the US. You mean to tell me that all of it is bribes? None of it does any good?

And what does the US's spending on defense have to do with your hilarious comment that other nations should start spending. Fact is the US is pretty much the only nation that holds the UN hostage by deciding at its own discretion when and how much to pay. Like wanting to be a member of a club without paying dues. Funny no?

Funny, yes. For the longest time, it was US defense spending that countered Russia for Europe. I think those times are changing. Maybe that's why we heard rumors of an EU army being formed. I think that's a great idea.

Yes I agree with you, a bunch of settlers and quakers would do the US immensely good, education level wise and morally as well.

P.S. By the way, why would you as an isolationist (oh you also did not say that?) worry what problems other nations have to solve? If you truly did not have to care then why all the effort poking your dirty stuffy noses into every pot outside your jurisdiction?

If you mean the US poking it's "dirty stuffy nose" then you must understand I don't dictate US policy action. I know that might come as a shock to you.

I am all for isolationist policy. We don't have that. I wish we did. Is that clear now?

 

[Tsing Tao]

in case you are a little behind the news, here it is for you: You may as homo have issues entering Indiana in the future (not sure you express interest in Indiana but sexual orientation wise this must be a burning topic for you). The toll booth right at the border may reject you entering the state. Thank Mr. Pence for that.

Ah, I should have known better to try to engage in conversation with you. Instantly out come the insults and accusations.

Ok, we can return to flame wars. That's more entertaining anyway.

 

[Tsing Tao]

The only number that matters is "aid per capita" or aid adjusted for GNI. In the latter category, US is nowhere near the top, according to OECD in 2013, US had a ratio of 0.19%, coming in at number 20 in the OECD countries list.
Even Portugal contributed more while having very severe economic problems.
And should you adjust for the aid given to Israel (I guess Israel can have yet another war so part of the US taxpayer money comes back to US defense firms), the number might look even weaker.

I always hear Americans talk about "how much we give", yet factually that is not the case.
Of course you can compare US to Nigeria or Pakistan but it's not particularly fair to compare to the 3rd world.
For the record, I'm not trying to claim US hasn't done any good, just trying to keep people grounded in the truth or close to it.

I'm sure countries that receive aid care more about "aid per capita" and not total dollars.

 

[volpunter]

and of course all your dollar blessings that you shower on countries ends up with those who actually need aid and not in the hands of some corrupt regimes that turn around and return your blood dollars in exchange for American weaponry. You are totally delusional my friend. The US turned its back on pretty much every aid program that really targeted the needy. Instead it had no problems whatsoever to send billions down to Egypt or Iran/Persia before if that could tilt the scale on the military and political side. Please educate all of us how that is not the precise definition of bribe and corruption. You people are professionals in brainwashing others. Your disguised aim to promote freedom and democracy is in reality a corrupt system that supports your own defense industry, secures your oil sourcing, and establishes a solid espionage network.

And please do not feel bad about me using the term "you". You do not seem to have any problem whatsoever to associate me with some German crimes against humanity that have been committed over 75 years ago. So I think it is justified to associate the American administration (current and former, hence Democrats and Republicans) as legitimate representatives of your country and yourself as voter.

I'm sure countries that receive aid care more about "aid per capita" and not total dollars.

 

[volpunter]

a) your ridiculous table does not show how much the US paid. And d08 is absolutely right: Aid spending by capita shows what a small aid spender the US really is. The only thing I might disagree with him is that if you accounted for aid to Israel this would not only make a small difference but a huge difference.

b) agree with you. It is about time the US stopped sneaking around every corner and actually started caring to get their own people off food stamps and into proper health care programs. Think about what good you could do to your own people with all the money that is currently allocated to defense spending. Oh wait, you said the US would do good as isolationist. I wonder just why you even spend money on poking around in Colombian jungles and fight wars in Afghanistan that do not concern you.

c) Hmm, if you voted for Ron Paul then we may for once agree on something. He seems to be the only one wanting to pull out of geographic regions that really are not concerning the US whatsoever.

Here is a list of countries that receive aid from the US. You mean to tell me that all of it is bribes? None of it does any good?



Funny, yes. For the longest time, it was US defense spending that countered Russia for Europe. I think those times are changing. Maybe that's why we heard rumors of an EU army being formed. I think that's a great idea.



If you mean the US poking it's "dirty stuffy nose" then you must understand I don't dictate US policy action. I know that might come as a shock to you.

I am all for isolationist policy. We don't have that. I wish we did. Is that clear now?

 

[zdreg]

and of course all your dollar blessings that you shower on countries ends up with those who actually need aid and not in the hands of some corrupt regimes that turn around and return your blood dollars in exchange for American weaponry. You are totally delusional my friend. The US turned its back on pretty much every aid program that really targeted the needy. Instead it had no problems whatsoever to send billions down to Egypt or Iran/Persia before if that could tilt the scale on the military and political side. Please educate all of us how that is not the precise definition of bribe and corruption. You people are professionals in brainwashing others. Your disguised aim to promote freedom and democracy is in reality a corrupt system that supports your own defense industry, secures your oil sourcing, and establishes a solid espionage network.

And please do not feel bad about me using the term "you". You do not seem to have any problem whatsoever to associate me with some German crimes against humanity that have been committed over 75 years ago. So I think it is justified to associate the American administration (current and former, hence Democrats and Republicans) as legitimate representatives of your country and yourself as voter.

 

[zdreg]

and of course all your dollar blessings that you shower on countries ends up with those who actually need aid and not in the hands of some corrupt regimes that turn around and return your blood dollars in exchange for American weaponry. You are totally delusional my friend. The US turned its back on pretty much every aid program that really targeted the needy. Instead it had no problems whatsoever to send billions down to Egypt or Iran/Persia before if that could tilt the scale on the military and political side. Please educate all of us how that is not the precise definition of bribe and corruption. You people are professionals in brainwashing others. Your disguised aim to promote freedom and democracy is in reality a corrupt system that supports your own defense industry, secures your oil sourcing, and establishes a solid espionage network.

And please do not feel bad about me using the term "you". You do not seem to have any problem whatsoever to associate me with some German crimes against humanity that have been committed over 75 years ago. So I think it is justified to associate the American administration (current and former, hence Democrats and Republicans) as legitimate representatives of your country and yourself as voter.

"some German crimes against humanity that have been committed over 75 years ago. "
some people have long and unforgiving memories.

 

[luisHK]

the only thing most currently vomit about is a trip back 100 years to when businesses were allowed to discriminate on the basis of religious belief and sexual orientation. Thank you for spitting into the faces of all those that worked hard and even died to fight for a better country and equal freedom for everyone. We are all excited to listen to how Mike Penis, sorry I mean Mike Pence, is gonna "clarify" what he actually intended, lol.

Volpunter, the greatest defender of freedom, who doesn't want to allow businesses freedom to chose who they trade with.