666...the Devils Moving Average

"The point is this: a big block of them is non-materialistic and willing to admit that the universe looks designed!

This is what you won't admit. The universe up through the time of the Origin of Life looks designed."

LOOKS designed and *IS* designed are two very different things.
I can admit the universe LOOKS designed, I think even Dawkins
has said something similar. But "looks designed" is no where
near any kind of proof and does not constitute any kind of evidence.
Lots of things LOOK one way, and are another.

I never said that “looking designed” is proof. I keep saying that over and over.

All I am saying is this: if there is a God, then the cosmos and the Origin of Life situation is scientifically exactly as we would expect.
 
"This is the really the crux of the issue for most failed believers. They simply could not trust that God would behave in a manner that was against their own limited, finite sense of what is fair, right, logical, etc."

Circular argument. You must prove god first exists before
making such claims.'



"Your expectations are your own creation."
As simply as I can say this, you have issues with God. "

Fallacy: Poisoning the well.



Wow.... a circular argument and a fallacy. Why do I bother?



Welp.... obviously there is no point in replying any further.
You haven't posted a single non-fallacious cogent argument yet.

Im way over my time quote.
Gonna go get some work done instead of wasting time
on people who can only resort to so many fallacious arguments.



peace

axeman
 
"All I am saying is this: if there is a God, then the cosmos and the Origin of Life situation is scientifically exactly as we would expect."


And you have not made this case.
You have failed to explain away all the design flaws.

This is only your opinion at this point.

Opinions dont count for much.


I could simply claim its my OPINION that the cosmos is NOTHING LIKE
I would expect if there was a god.


Holds no water.

In fact... I have a bit more than just an opinion.
The existence of flaws is counter to such a position.


Welp.... really gotta run. Taking a break from this.


peace

axeman
 
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The fact is, there is a STRONG correlation between NON-belief
and your level scientific education.
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This you’ll have to prove to me. My contention is that income follows education and non-belief follows INCOME. The more money we have the more distracted we are and the more self-sufficient we feel.
 
Sigh...one more...and im outta here.

"I hope you realize the significance of this: the core of your arguments are NOT based on the science or mathematics of this, but the issues that you have with Pain and Suffering."

You are correct for THIS argument.
It's based on pure logic and reason.


"That's fine. I don't dispute that Pain and Suffering is a difficult topic and I respect your opinion. I just get angry because you have been implying that your position is based on modern scientific findings which cannot be valid."

Not really. It's mostly been based on finding flaws in reasoning.


"Also, the argument against bad design has little to do with what we're talking about, as you know, since it is post-Cambrian-explosion. "


It has everything to do with it.
If you assert the universe is designed by this super powerful
mega intelligent creator, then a universe full of FLAWS is
contradictory to this idea.


peace

axeman
 
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Calling creationism science is blasphemy :D
It is no such thing.
It does not follow scientific principles.

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Are you telling me that there would be no scientific evidence of this? Are you saying that it is outside the realm of science to detect God if He exists?

As you can tell I think this is madness, but before I go on I will ask what could possibly be the logic for your statement?

I can only say that this is terribly convenient for the materialist.
Only science that its into one's paradigm is allowed?

Yet if science discovers evidence for Intelligent Design at the Origin of Life and the birth of the universe, that must be ignored?
 
Quote from axeman:

"This is the really the crux of the issue for most failed believers. They simply could not trust that God would behave in a manner that was against their own limited, finite sense of what is fair, right, logical, etc."

Circular argument. You must prove god first exists before
making such claims.'



"Your expectations are your own creation."
As simply as I can say this, you have issues with God. "

Fallacy: Poisoning the well.



Wow.... a circular argument and a fallacy. Why do I bother?



Welp.... obviously there is no point in replying any further.
You haven't posted a single non-fallacious cogent argument yet.

Im way over my time quote.
Gonna go get some work done instead of wasting time
on people who can only resort to so many fallacious arguments.



peace

axeman
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You might try to denounce the statements as not within the framework of your logic, but that doesn't mean they are incorrect or innacurate.

You know the truth of what I am saying, in your heart of hearts.

Many failed believers, upon honest reflection will admit the truth of their anger and use of the crutch of the intellect to cover up their wounding.

You are wounded. Why is it so hard to just admit that? Are you fearful of what would happen if you did?

You can run, but can you really hide in the circle of you own finite logic?
 
97% of our National Academy of Scientists is non-theistic.
The rate of belief has historically been going down at a fast
rate over the decades. It's documented.

Why am I posting this fact for the 100th time?

The rest of your post is an empty assertion.


peace

axeman



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This you’ll have to prove to me. My contention is that income follows education and non-belief follows INCOME. The more money we have the more distracted we are and the more self-sufficient we feel.
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"You know the truth of what I am saying, in your heart of hearts. "

LOL... now your a mindreader. Wooo hooo! :D

Dude...your smoking crack on something if you really believe this.



DAMMIT!!! IM OUTTA HERE! Going to lunch... and not coming back.

You guys can argue your unsupported theories amongst yourselves now.



peace

axeman


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You might try to denounce the statements as not within the framework of your logic, but that doesn't mean they are incorrect or innacurate.

You know the truth of what I am saying, in your heart of hearts.
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Quote from axeman:

"You know the truth of what I am saying, in your heart of hearts. "

LOL... now your a mindreader. Wooo hooo! :D

Dude...your smoking crack on something if you really believe this.



DAMMIT!!! IM OUTTA HERE! Going to lunch... and not coming back.

You guys can argue your unsupported theories amongst yourselves now.



peace

axeman
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It is common, and human nature to run from the truth.
 
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