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Well, at least now I understand that your being honest
and simply don't understand why the statistics in
your post are flawed.
"Close to 1.0" is not the correct answer.
Instead of me giving you the answer, why don't you
ask some associates, and report back what they think.
This would be interesting to hear.
If you can't get some immediate opinions, let me know,
and I will provide a little more detail as to what might
be in the bag to get people thinking in the correct direction.
peace
axeman
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Quote from axeman:
Let's try this one more time with a SIMPLE analogy.
1) I have a peg board with 1 million holes in it.
2) I have a bag full of red pegs and white pegs
3) You are NOT allowed to see how many pegs are in the bag,
touch the bag, weigh the bag, nada.
QUESTION: What is the probability that I will get 2 red pegs
in a row on the board, if I attempt to randomly fill the board with all
the pegs in the bag????????
ANSWER this question correctly Shoeshine, it's a serious question.
and simply don't understand why the statistics in
your post are flawed.
"Close to 1.0" is not the correct answer.
Instead of me giving you the answer, why don't you
ask some associates, and report back what they think.
This would be interesting to hear.
If you can't get some immediate opinions, let me know,
and I will provide a little more detail as to what might
be in the bag to get people thinking in the correct direction.
peace
axeman
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Quote from axeman:
Let's try this one more time with a SIMPLE analogy.
1) I have a peg board with 1 million holes in it.
2) I have a bag full of red pegs and white pegs
3) You are NOT allowed to see how many pegs are in the bag,
touch the bag, weigh the bag, nada.
QUESTION: What is the probability that I will get 2 red pegs
in a row on the board, if I attempt to randomly fill the board with all
the pegs in the bag????????
ANSWER this question correctly Shoeshine, it's a serious question.
Associates? You make me sound like I'm in organized crime!
I've got to challenge this puppy from square 1: you have dependencies in this case. Because you are placing the pegs diagonally, horizontally and vertically next to each other, this is a highly dependent upon the location of previous pegs. Dependiencies in the case of the coalescence of the universe is not...
You'll have to prove to me the correlation...
Well Doubter, that was some creative thinking, but it
doesn't help to patch the holes, and only generates
even more problems for the creationists.
It begs all kinds of questions, and many problems still remain.
1) Baby giraffes die from the fall
2) You could design a baby giraffe to NOT need the slap/shock to start breathing, etc
3) The mother could be designed to chew the placenta off the child
instead of using a barberic method, such as dropping from 6 feet
4) Other animals chew the placenta off, but I guess god really
does have a memory problem and couldnt use the SAME safer
method already used in other designs. Doesnt gel.
5) You could design baby giraffes so they are NOT born with
fluid filled lungs.
peace
axeman
doesn't help to patch the holes, and only generates
even more problems for the creationists.
It begs all kinds of questions, and many problems still remain.
1) Baby giraffes die from the fall
2) You could design a baby giraffe to NOT need the slap/shock to start breathing, etc
3) The mother could be designed to chew the placenta off the child
instead of using a barberic method, such as dropping from 6 feet
4) Other animals chew the placenta off, but I guess god really
does have a memory problem and couldnt use the SAME safer
method already used in other designs. Doesnt gel.
5) You could design baby giraffes so they are NOT born with
fluid filled lungs.
peace
axeman
Quote from Doubter:
I would love to hear the EXCUSE for a giraffe dropping a newborn
6 feet onto its head!!
Maybe being dropped from six feet is really beneficial somehow right?
What a joke.
Axeman
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You need to be around birthing more. (Wanta volunteer?)
In many, many cases the newborn needs a slap or shock of some kind to kind of wake up and start breathing. They used to slap a baby's bottom to jump start them. (Don't know if they still do that with the no spank policies.
I've got to challenge this puppy from square 1: you have dependencies in this case. Because you are placing the pegs diagonally, horizontally and vertically next to each other, this is a highly dependent upon the location of previous pegs. "
This would NOT prevent a statistician from calculating the odds.
It's also not relevant in this case.
"Dependiencies in the case of the coalescence of the universe is not..."
Not relevant.
Let's leave analogies with the universe out of this for now.
Just answer the question.
Provide us with some answers from any friends/relatives/associates
around you. It would be interesting to hear their opinions.
I could use an even simpler example, but didn't
want to make it TOO obvious.
So what do you think the odds are?
Anyone else care to guess?
peace
axeman
This would NOT prevent a statistician from calculating the odds.
It's also not relevant in this case.
"Dependiencies in the case of the coalescence of the universe is not..."
Not relevant.
Let's leave analogies with the universe out of this for now.
Just answer the question.
Provide us with some answers from any friends/relatives/associates
around you. It would be interesting to hear their opinions.
I could use an even simpler example, but didn't
want to make it TOO obvious.
So what do you think the odds are?
Anyone else care to guess?
peace
axeman
Quote from ShoeshineBoy:
Associates? You make me sound like I'm in organized crime!
I've got to challenge this puppy from square 1: you have dependencies in this case. Because you are placing the pegs diagonally, horizontally and vertically next to each other, this is a highly dependent upon the location of previous pegs. Dependiencies in the case of the coalescence of the universe is not...
You'll have to prove to me the correlation...
Quote from axeman:
Well Doubter, that was some creative thinking, but it
doesn't help to patch the holes, and only generates
even more problems for the creationists.
It begs all kinds of questions, and many problems still remain.
1) Baby giraffes die from the fall
2) You could design a baby giraffe to NOT need the slap/shock to start breathing, etc
3) The mother could be designed to chew the placenta off the child
instead of using a barberic method, such as dropping from 6 feet
4) Other animals chew the placenta off, but I guess god really
does have a memory problem and couldnt use the SAME safer
method already used in other designs. Doesnt gel.
5) You could design baby giraffes so they are NOT born with
fluid filled lungs.
Is this your argument: evolution is true therefore materialism is true? That's the impression I'm getting.
I asked for your models of the universe and early life and now this is the msg that I'm picking up: we're all supposed to believe that the universe and early life were created by chance since evolution is true?
How does that tie in? There's a lot of evolutionists who would disagree with you and would say that is a huge leap of logic!
C'mon axe. Spit it out. Just make your point. I just conceded a point to Stu. If you can convince me what you say makes sense, I'll concede it...
SB,
You consistently assume that because I poke holes
through creationism, that I am also supporting evolution
or biogensis in the same breath.
This is not the case.
Do not assume that I hold a belief which says:
I BELIEVE life was created like so and so...
Or...
I BELIEVE the universe was created like so and so...
This is not the case.
I do NOT know how life was first started and I do NOT
know how the universe was created.
Evolution and biogensis are 2 theories which address
these issues, and I consider them stronger than
the creationist HYPOTHESIS since they at least have
some supporting data.
This is very different than holding a BELIEF.
peace
axeman
You consistently assume that because I poke holes
through creationism, that I am also supporting evolution
or biogensis in the same breath.
This is not the case.
Do not assume that I hold a belief which says:
I BELIEVE life was created like so and so...
Or...
I BELIEVE the universe was created like so and so...
This is not the case.
I do NOT know how life was first started and I do NOT
know how the universe was created.
Evolution and biogensis are 2 theories which address
these issues, and I consider them stronger than
the creationist HYPOTHESIS since they at least have
some supporting data.
This is very different than holding a BELIEF.
peace
axeman
Ok... here is the first clue.
How would you answer if I gave you the following additional
information: (each a different case)
1) There are no pegs in the bag
2) There are 1 million white pegs in the bag
3) There are 10 million red pegs in the bag
4) There are 999,998 white pegs, and 2 reg pegs in the bag
5) There are 500,000 white pegs, and 500,000 red pegs in the bag
Give me the odds for each question, or a fuzzy guess.
peace
axeman
How would you answer if I gave you the following additional
information: (each a different case)
1) There are no pegs in the bag
2) There are 1 million white pegs in the bag
3) There are 10 million red pegs in the bag
4) There are 999,998 white pegs, and 2 reg pegs in the bag
5) There are 500,000 white pegs, and 500,000 red pegs in the bag
Give me the odds for each question, or a fuzzy guess.
peace
axeman
___________________________________________Quote from axeman:
Well Doubter, that was some creative thinking, but it
doesn't help to patch the holes, and only generates
even more problems for the creationists.
It begs all kinds of questions, and many problems still remain.
1) Baby giraffes die from the fall
2) You could design a baby giraffe to NOT need the slap/shock to start breathing, etc
3) The mother could be designed to chew the placenta off the child
instead of using a barberic method, such as dropping from 6 feet
4) Other animals chew the placenta off, but I guess god really
does have a memory problem and couldnt use the SAME safer
method already used in other designs. Doesnt gel.
5) You could design baby giraffes so they are NOT born with
fluid filled lungs.
peace
axeman
Not creative thinking at all only many years of experience and observation. It does pose problems for both sides.
1. There is always extra inherent risk at birth time even in the best of hospitals not every baby is going to make it. Again it can be a plan thing or evolution.
2. You could but until you know all the variables you're going to have to deal with what is. They could also have evolved away from this requirement but they haven't in all these generations so who knows.
3. Most animals actually eat the placenta but their first instinct is to smell the newborn and then lick it. In the cases of the thick placenta this hasn't saved the baby in most cases. The eating usually occurs after the licking and takes quite some time. In cold climates if the eating occurred first then the baby would die from the lack of the stimulation that the licking causes. When eating the placenta it normally is eaten whole and not chewed up so it is a continual process of swallowing to get the whole thing down in one piece and can take quite a bit of time. Too much so for a cold baby to go without licking until he is stabilized and the mother can be away.
4. They are designed that way but sometimes genetics and or environment change things. The babies being backwards can be caused by a slip or fall of the mother that flips the baby in the womb or caused crossed legs or a miriad of other problems. Some people swear the certain family lines are prone to backwards babies. Also mothers having thieir first baby tend to have more live backwards babies than older mothers who have had more offspring. The reason seems to be in the strength of the birthing mother. The older mother pushes harder and tends to fill the lungs more and the younger ones push but can't stand the pain so don't push as hard and don't fill the lungs as much. Nearly all babies are either hung upside down or do a lot of coughing and sneezing to clear their lungs. After all they just spent several months suspended in fluid.
I certainly admit that I am not smart enough to design organisims that will survive in all circumstances or if I would want them all to survive if I could. I am satisfied with the plan as is and find it best to proceed with that assumption.