666...the Devils Moving Average

Where have I stated that I can prove there is a God? Let me say it one more time: I do NOT want to prove God nor am I attempting it.

I'm going to try one more time to get my question answered. Here is why I am on this thread and I go back to my previous post from this morning:

"Suppose just for a minute that deism/theism/pantheism is true. Then we would expect to see the following events:

1. The beginning of the universe explodes from a First Cause singularity in 9+ space dimensions with a very real possibility of 2+ time dimensions as well.
2. Explosions do not lead to order, yet this one settles into a universe that is HIGHLY tuned for advanced life.
3. The solar system is HIGHLY tuned for advanced life.
4. Life’s origin baffles science because it appears so suddenly w/o any plausible natural explanation. Many prominent scientists are so shocked that they become open to the idea of deistic, theistic or pantheistic involvement.
5. The entire globe is covered with billions of people reporting supernatural phenomenon. (theistic only)

What do you actually find on the globe?

1. The beginning of the universe explodes from a First Cause singularity in 9+ space dimensions with a very real possibility of 2+ time dimensions as well.
2. Explosions do not lead to order, yet this one settles into a universe that is HIGHLY tuned for advanced life.
3. The solar system is HIGHLY tuned for advanced life.
4. Life’s origin baffles science because it appears so suddenly w/o any plausible natural explanation. Many prominent scientists are so shocked that they become open to the idea of deistic, theistic or pantheistic involvement.
5. The entire globe is covered with billions of people reporting supernatural phenomenon. (theistic only)

I ask the question again: what gives you guys the right to label deists/theists/pantheists as silly, myth believers when their model matches the above events well and yours has many difficulties in these areas?
 
"I do NOT want to prove God nor am I attempting it."

Your continuous posting of the ID hypothesis belies your statement.

peace

axeman
 
Quote from axeman:

"I do NOT want to prove God nor am I attempting it."

Your continuous posting of the ID hypothesis belies your statement.
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No. The key is "hypothesis". I only state ID as a hypothesis, a model to test. This is in contrast to you, GG and Longshot who claim to know so categorically that you are correct that you can label everyone who disagrees with you as a "unicorn believer."
 
Now you have to resort to outright lies?

1) I NEVER claimed you believed in unicorns.
2) I NEVER claimed to be categorically correct.

How many time must you post these falsehoods?
Do you believe that saying it enough times make it true???

So now you want to propose ID as a hypothesis,
WHICH IS THE FIRST STEP TOWARDS A PROOF, while
at the same time claiming you are not trying
to prove god exists???

Ummmm.... yeah.



peace

axeman





Quote from ShoeshineBoy:


No. The key is "hypothesis". I only state ID as a hypothesis, a model to test. This is in contrast to you, GG and Longshot who claim to know so categorically that you are correct that you can label everyone who disagrees with you as a "unicorn believer."
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Quote from axeman:

Now you have to resort to outright lies?

1) I NEVER claimed you believed in unicorns.
2) I NEVER claimed to be categorically correct.
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Yeah, right! Here are just a few of your quotes - it would take too long to get them all - and I've completely left out Longshot and GG:

“You really need to take a critical thinking course.”
--Axe p.139

“Here is one of Sagans great analogies in the Demon Haunted World.
Myth believers argue like this all the time.”
--Axe p.68

“Oh yes yes... "God has a greator purpose for this beyond
what your tiny human brain could possibly understand"

Whatever.... these are mere fairytales. It doesn't take
a rocket scientist to realize you could have given the beast
the ability to kneel for a moment to give birth. “
--Axe p.133

“I CANNOT point at a tree and conclude: GOD
I might as well point at a unicorn in a story book and propose that they really exist.”
--Axe p.84

“There are few standpoints if any which seem to wish to refuse people their religion as a belief, but surely it is reasonable to refute demands which declare goD IS when there is just as much similar evidence to suggest unicorn IS. 'I believe goD IS' would be fair and reasonable as would 'I believe unicorn IS' or 'I believe zeus IS'. They all seem to have a standardized interchangeable level of credibility.”
--Axe p.26

“From YOUR point of view it may be offensive, but making remarks about things I consider a fable, could hardly qualify as offensive.

If I told a santa claus believer that santa was a fat red myth, and
he got incredibly offended, thats his problem not mine.”
--Axe p.92
 
I'll try yet again to get my question answered. Here is why I am on this thread and I go back to my previous post from this morning:

"Suppose just for a minute that deism/theism/pantheism is true. Then we would expect to see the following events:

1. The beginning of the universe explodes from a First Cause singularity in 9+ space dimensions with a very real possibility of 2+ time dimensions as well.
2. Explosions do not lead to order, yet this one settles into a universe that is HIGHLY tuned for advanced life.
3. The solar system is HIGHLY tuned for advanced life.
4. Life’s origin baffles science because it appears so suddenly w/o any plausible natural explanation. Many prominent scientists are so shocked that they become open to the idea of deistic, theistic or pantheistic involvement.
5. The entire globe is covered with billions of people reporting supernatural phenomenon. (theistic only)

What do you actually find on the globe?

1. The beginning of the universe explodes from a First Cause singularity in 9+ space dimensions with a very real possibility of 2+ time dimensions as well.
2. Explosions do not lead to order, yet this one settles into a universe that is HIGHLY tuned for advanced life.
3. The solar system is HIGHLY tuned for advanced life.
4. Life’s origin baffles science because it appears so suddenly w/o any plausible natural explanation. Many prominent scientists are so shocked that they become open to the idea of deistic, theistic or pantheistic involvement.
5. The entire globe is covered with billions of people reporting supernatural phenomenon. (theistic only)

I ask the question again: what gives you guys the right to label deists/theists/pantheists as silly, myth believers when their model matches the above events well and yours has many difficulties in these areas?
 
Thanks for PROVING to us that I NEVER said
you believed in unicorns.

Notice that not a SINGLE quote you posted claims
that you believe in unicorns.


You just debunked yourself. Good job.



peace

axeman


Quote from ShoeshineBoy:


Yeah, right! Here are just a few of your quotes - it would take too long to get them all - and I've completely left out Longshot and GG:

“You really need to take a critical thinking course.”
--Axe p.139

“Here is one of Sagans great analogies in the Demon Haunted World.
Myth believers argue like this all the time.”
--Axe p.68

“Oh yes yes... "God has a greator purpose for this beyond
what your tiny human brain could possibly understand"

Whatever.... these are mere fairytales. It doesn't take
a rocket scientist to realize you could have given the beast
the ability to kneel for a moment to give birth. “
--Axe p.133

“I CANNOT point at a tree and conclude: GOD
I might as well point at a unicorn in a story book and propose that they really exist.”
--Axe p.84

“There are few standpoints if any which seem to wish to refuse people their religion as a belief, but surely it is reasonable to refute demands which declare goD IS when there is just as much similar evidence to suggest unicorn IS. 'I believe goD IS' would be fair and reasonable as would 'I believe unicorn IS' or 'I believe zeus IS'. They all seem to have a standardized interchangeable level of credibility.”
--Axe p.26

“From YOUR point of view it may be offensive, but making remarks about things I consider a fable, could hardly qualify as offensive.

If I told a santa claus believer that santa was a fat red myth, and
he got incredibly offended, thats his problem not mine.”
--Axe p.92
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"I ask the question again: what gives you guys the right to label deists/theists/pantheists as silly, myth believers when their model matches the above events well and yours has many difficulties in these areas?"


Because your model is full of holes. I already pointed out some of them.
You simply choose to ignore them.


Then you contradict yourself by claiming your not trying
to prove god exists, and then immediately propose a hypothesis for god.

I guess in your mind, proposing a hypothesis is NOT the
first step towards proving something.

Whatever...

peace

axeman




Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

I'll try yet again to get my question answered. Here is why I am on this thread and I go back to my previous post from this morning:

"Suppose just for a minute that deism/theism/pantheism is true. Then we would expect to see the following events:

1. The beginning of the universe explodes from a First Cause singularity in 9+ space dimensions with a very real possibility of 2+ time dimensions as well.
2. Explosions do not lead to order, yet this one settles into a universe that is HIGHLY tuned for advanced life.
3. The solar system is HIGHLY tuned for advanced life.
4. Life’s origin baffles science because it appears so suddenly w/o any plausible natural explanation. Many prominent scientists are so shocked that they become open to the idea of deistic, theistic or pantheistic involvement.
5. The entire globe is covered with billions of people reporting supernatural phenomenon. (theistic only)

What do you actually find on the globe?

1. The beginning of the universe explodes from a First Cause singularity in 9+ space dimensions with a very real possibility of 2+ time dimensions as well.
2. Explosions do not lead to order, yet this one settles into a universe that is HIGHLY tuned for advanced life.
3. The solar system is HIGHLY tuned for advanced life.
4. Life’s origin baffles science because it appears so suddenly w/o any plausible natural explanation. Many prominent scientists are so shocked that they become open to the idea of deistic, theistic or pantheistic involvement.
5. The entire globe is covered with billions of people reporting supernatural phenomenon. (theistic only)

I ask the question again: what gives you guys the right to label deists/theists/pantheists as silly, myth believers when their model matches the above events well and yours has many difficulties in these areas?
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a HUGE red flag for religions are that the believer would probably not even believe their current religion if they were born some place else..

someone should ask GWB live on tv, "mr. president, do you still think you'd say, 'god blesses america' if you had been born in iraq?"

ShoeshineBoy, if you were born in america, do you think you'd believe your current religion had you been born in iraq?

koran believers, would you still believe in allah if you were a white male born in america with christian parents?

wake up, people!! religion is an obvious total bunch of BS!!!
 
Quote from Gordon Gekko:

a HUGE red flag for religions are that the believer would probably not even believe their current religion if they were born some place else..

someone should ask GWB live on tv, "mr. president, do you still think you'd say, 'god blesses america' if you had been born in iraq?"

ShoeshineBoy, if you were born in america, do you think you'd believe your current religion had you been born in iraq?

koran believers, would you still believe in allah if you were a white male born in america with christian parents?

wake up, people!! religion is an obvious total bunch of BS!!!
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Sorry, but Christianity is exploding around the globe. Growth is in Communist China for example where there are conservatively 80 million Christians almost all of which has happened in just a few decades. Many countries in Latin America are 40% or more evangelical Christians. The growth has been so astonishing that has been documented in the sociological secular press. Christianity is now the religion of the dark-skinned peoples of the world.

So in answer to your question, I think that I would have a much greater chance of being a believer in other cultures w/o my parents being Christian.

By the way, this is another example of what one would expect if theism was true: you would expect explosive growth which is exactly wahat has happened in the 20th century with Christianity. It has grown like a fire w/o military or political intervention.
 
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